removing crown board without chaos

[Poly Hive]

If the beekeeper is using the hive tool as they should and manipulating the brood nest there is zero risk of sugar going up. It's that simple and to say otherwise suggests some thing else.

PH

 

[Ian123]

What are the downsides of early fondant other than cost?

How early do you mean! Fondant in winter, syrup as soon as conditions allow. It does not mean you can’t feed fondant any time but you get a better bang for your buck with syrup.

 

[gmonag]

If the beekeeper is using the hive tool as they should and manipulating the brood nest there is zero risk of sugar going up. It's that simple and to say otherwise suggests some thing else.

PH

As someone who does not enjoy membership of the Member of Royal and Ancient Polar Bear Society, perhaps you would care to explain to the Beginners here what that pompus and arrogant statement is supposed to mean?

After all how can there be "zero risk" given that "Bees do nothing invariably"?

 

[Poly Hive]

The Royal and Ancient Polar Bear Society exists to help with research into polar bears. Sorry but what is arrogant about that please?

H

 

[Millet]

The Royal and Ancient Polar Bear Society exists to help with research into polar bears. Sorry but what is arrogant about that please?

H

You maybe could have explained your manipulations with your hive tool ..i know what you meant and i don't think you where arrogant just a little blunt maybe..

 

[Poly Hive]

I consider myself to be direct. Nothing wrong with calling s spade s spade. Them that call it an earth moving utensil are wasting their time and mine.

PH.

 

[Erichalfbee]

I consider myself to be direct. Nothing wrong with calling s spade s spade. Them that call it an earth moving utensil are wasting their time and mine.

PH.

PH this is the beginners section
Being blunt is a blunt tool
A little explanation of just how you bruise the frames would be gratefully received by those novices who don’t share your knowledge.

 

[Poly Hive]

Dani I was answering this comment:

The only down side is over feeding so that sugar gets stored in excess and goes into the spring crop

Which is just not true if the brood and stores are manipulated correctly.



PH

 

[Poly Hive]

Charming.

Beginners should be aware that there is a tehcnique called bruising where the cappings are bruised to "unlock" the stores for the bees to consume. By doing this in conjunction with moving frames of bro in the brood nest the colony can be expanded a fair bit faster than if left alone.


HOWEVER....... this is not risk free and is frowned upon by many.

HOWEVER it is widely practised by Bee Farmers and those running larger numbers.

I am not going to go into this further as it needs to be demonstrated practically and the dangers explained. Further, it requires assessment skills which the beginner is unlikely to yet have.

If you can find an experienced beekeeper with the ability to work the brood then latch on and ask to watch as they work the brood in Spring. It's a valuable skill to learn.

PH

 

[gmonag]

Thank you for explaining that.

 

[Beefriendly]

Bruising cappped stores causes them to be moved. It' doesn't remove the possibility, nay in fact it increases the possibility, they may then be stored in supers (if supers are present).
Bees cannot use more energy than they require, so any honey in excess to their physical requirements (e.g. stores under the bruised cappings) get moved. Its what bees do when energy inputs etc are in surplus to their needs. WE harvest this excess "energy" as honey.
Bruising stores is a useful technique for clearing frames ready for the queen to lay in....but it isn't a magical bullet to prevent sugar stores being relocated to supers.

 

[sean-a]

Charming.

Beginners should be aware that there is a tehcnique called bruising where the cappings are bruised to "unlock" the stores for the bees to consume. By doing this in conjunction with moving frames of bro in the brood nest the colony can be expanded a fair bit faster than if left alone.


HOWEVER....... this is not risk free and is frowned upon by many.

HOWEVER it is widely practised by Bee Farmers and those running larger numbers.

I am not going to go into this further as it needs to be demonstrated practically and the dangers explained. Further, it requires assessment skills which the beginner is unlikely to yet have.

If you can find an experienced beekeeper with the ability to work the brood then latch on and ask to watch as they work the brood in Spring. It's a valuable skill to learn.

PH

Ta!

 

[Hachi]

Charming.

Beginners should be aware that there is a tehcnique called bruising where the cappings are bruised to "unlock" the stores for the bees to consume. By doing this in conjunction with moving frames of bro in the brood nest the colony can be expanded a fair bit faster than if left alone.


HOWEVER....... this is not risk free and is frowned upon by many.

HOWEVER it is widely practised by Bee Farmers and those running larger numbers.

I am not going to go into this further as it needs to be demonstrated practically and the dangers explained. Further, it requires assessment skills which the beginner is unlikely to yet have.

If you can find an experienced beekeeper with the ability to work the brood then latch on and ask to watch as they work the brood in Spring. It's a valuable skill to learn.

PH

As it's the quite season for beekeeping I wonder if there are any Bee-farmers in commuting distance of North Wilts willing to demonstrate this dangerous but effective manipulation, if I come to you and show me with a model hive please? I have access to "teaching" hives so can bring the props with me and perhaps a bottle of wine to lubricate the working parts. Alternatively, I sense there are some budding David Attenborough's out there who might like to get a demo on YouTube.

Bar humbug to you PH you could write it out for us experienced folk and put it in another section where's your Christmas cheer and goodwill to all men
?

 

[masterBK]

Not rocket science: Simply scrape the surface of the cappings with the edge of the bent end of the hive tool.

 

[Poly Hive]

Actually, I have tried to do it before and it just does not come across as I would wish.

I have no intention of misleading people and causing havoc so I am not doing it.

The only way would be by video and as that requires at least two people and I work alone that's a non starter too.

There you have it.

PH