- Jun 1, 2009
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- Waterlooville, Hampshire, UK
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yes like the Kewl entrance
It is very well made, and he has lots of ++ reviews from beekeepers but with the limit to zero bee space above the floor, it is a disaster waiting to happenI see what you mean:
It looks like its made by a non beekeeper who needs to read up on bee-space
see this link to edinburgh beesJust out of interest what is a Kewl entrance?
i also modified the rake of the flight board, as on mine you could not use a standard thornes block, i have replace the ply floor with a thin aliminium tray as the ply warped and you knocked of all the bee/varroa crap as you extracted the floor, therefore no varroa count possibleIn one of his email he says he keeps bees.
I don't have this problem as I have a 60mm gap at the bottom of all my frames so they can build drone brood.
So it's perfect for me
We had a club member who bought a hive from a newer supplier and it didn't have bee space around a frame. Indeed she had to force the frames in. the response was "your frames must be wrong". In the end, she had to claim against her credit card company to get them to refund.when i complained, he just said no one else had problems and that if iawas concerned just add a 20mm eke
John C.'s (Muswell Metro) comments are well-meant. After he had bought his second floor from me this year, I have increased the space between the top of the mesh to the bottom of the brood frames. The original design was using the nominal "bee-space " of c.6mm and I usually added a couple of mm to make sure. General thinking was that if extra space was given, bees would be encouraged to form extra comb. Of course, nowadays many beeks practise drone management and therefore extra comb is desirable. I now add an extra couple of mm to the space and it now is c.6mm deeper. So, effectively, bees now have c.12mm available for getting rid of detritus. My advice given to John at the time still stands - if you want to practise drone management, use a spacer to lift the brood chamber above the floor to enable drone comb to be drawn. The space at the rear of the floor for the insert is a comfortable 5mm above the thickness of the plywood to allow for easier withdrawal of detritus/varroa mites.
My Smith and Langstroth-design floors have a much deeper space.
When I started production of the floors, I did not include an insert as it would only be used for monitoring purposes and therefore no need to use one on a permanent basis. My bees are kept in the Scottish Highlands and the only time the floors are used are when monitoring and in February/March when perhaps early brood need a bit of protection. I haven't lost a colony over the years that I have used mesh floors. With that in mind, the insert floor is supplied to be used on a very temporary basis.
I'm attaching a couple of photos to help illustrate the points I've made.
Once again, apologies for the length of reply. Hopefully, future posts will not be as time-consuming.
I think you'll find that I did not specify the size of a "spacer to be used to lift the brood chamber above the floor to enable drone comb to be drawn". As I do not practise this technique myself, I leave it to the beekeeper to use whatever size he thinks fit. Good point ,however, about the distance from the mesh to the top of the sides and I may very well include that in future batch modifications.i also dont understand your drone comment, 25mmto 30m on a standard floor has been the norm since the National hive was conceved. copies of the original specications and depth are on the scottishbeekepers association webb site. to induce drone comb you need 50mm plus
Thanks for your welcome. First of all, apologies for thinking you were the one and only person to make the definitive comment about the size of the rear space for extracting the insert tray!
I think you'll find that I did not specify the size of a "spacer to be used to lift the brood chamber above the floor to enable drone comb to be drawn". As I do not practise this technique myself, I leave it to the beekeeper to use whatever size he thinks fit. Good point ,however, about the distance from the mesh to the top of the sides and I may very well include that in future batch modifications.
Thanks for your input.