question for all you wood nibblers

[hedgerow pete]

ok , so the big fella is still skiving with his back and splinter in little finger, the pain from the little finger is killing me.

we .as you do have savaged you tube for things to watch etc etc

and i have a couple of questions to ask.

when making a glass cover board or an observation hive would you bed the glass with mastic or dry bed it instead??

what is the going rough idea price for reasonable knot free timber, i am thinking deal or such like about 50mm by 50mm sawn or planed, by the linear metre,

what the hell is a cube of timber and how do you work that back into linear feet

 

[Tom Bick]

As for the first never made one sorry but best to have the glass removable so to clean

The 2nd one I don’t think one exists strange name deal

And the 3rd About 34.4 cubic feet and that in its simplest form a 12” x 1” board 12’ long

 

[merylvingien]

Ive never made a glass cover board, but i would bed it into something that has some give.

Just make sure you get everything nice and straight and flat!

 

[hedgerow pete]

i will re do the question two again with more details,

as someone with less skills than a site chippy(is that posible)

i want to buy some timber to have a play with in the green house when i get upright again.
there is no point asking at a builders yard for decent, reasonable knott free timber because even the c16 or c26 we get is full of them. so without looking like to much of a muppet i want to go into a proper timber suppliers yard that sells ever sort of timber going, i dont want to ask for pine as there is blooming hundreds of types,

so what do you ask for and at what grades are there to get.

i am looking for timber about 50mm square section with as few as knots as possible to play with before deciding on wheather or not i can make what i want with the tools i have avalible.

i only know of parana pine because we used to make window cills wth it, cedar for hives.deal for doors and frames, red pine for floor boards and the usual types of hard woods, but i also dont know the cost of timber because when it arrives at work someone else pays the bills.

so what do you use as brought in soft wood play timber and at what costs

 

[BobH1]

when making a glass cover board or an observation hive would you bed the glass with mastic or dry bed it instead??

In my father's old (circa 1930) glass quilts for his WBC hives (which I still have) have their glass bedded straight onto the wooden frame and retained with picture framing pins.

 

[Tom Bick]

i only know of parana pine because we used to make window cills wth it

Dont think so

 

[Keith]

Hi
Pete if you are looking for 50mm square from the merchants it would
be rough sawn, planed would come out nearer 45mm square.
Up here in Scotland you would ask for white wood or red wood (both pine)
White being lesser grade, many knots,your red wood being much better grade
few knots

 

[victor meldrew]

Hi
Pete if you are looking for 50mm square from the merchants it would
be rough sawn, planed would come out nearer 45mm square.
Up here in Scotland you would ask for white wood or red wood (both pine)
White being lesser grade, many knots,your red wood being much better grade
few knots

The Chinese are exporting stuff on pallets of a size that the reclaiming companies don't want ?
The boards are 5'x5"x 1 / 1/2". Judging by the grain, the timber is quick grown but I'm baffled as to what variety of tree it's from . Knot free and quite hard/strong.

John Wilkinson

 

[Tom Bick]

Hi Keith don’t know what you are told but white wood is a Spruce not Red wood

 

[Mike a]

Pete,
Have you considered using polyurethane sheet instead with a layer of insulation over the top like kingspan or polystyrene.

I just got some from a friend for my poly hives so I can take a quick look in the hive without opening them up fully and so I wont need to use a hive tool to prise off the roof.

 

[Keith]

Tom I know white wood is a Spruce, asking for white or red wood is
a way of asking for a lesser or better grade of timber.
White wood= sarking, studding,fenceing etc
Red wood=standards, skirtings, faceings ect

 

[hedgerow pete]

one timber source i used to use alot but its almost all gone now is when they refurb one of the victorian terrece houses up by me is the interiour doors and its frames, knocking the door apart for the frame sections produces some lovely pitch pine where i am, great stuff to work with. i was going to get just before i slipped a disk a set of stairs, they would have had a lovely set of stringers to cut out

 

[Hughesie]

Pete

if you want some FOC glass let me know as we have plenty at work , you can have it cut to size and toughened for a few pennies

 

[hedgerow pete]

thanks for that. i wanted to try to make one from a cheap soft wood for ease of machining first to see if i am capable of dealing with timber smaller than 4 by 2 without using 4" nails. there is a few other little projects i want to rough out aswell and if so i have some small piles of collected timber in the shed i could use, i have some pre ban mahogany , cherry, birth and walnut, they are all 115mm by 35 mm and roughly a metre long. they were once new door frames for all the different offices i have built that we have either had spare or replaced with some thing else, i just knock them apart and bring them home to play with.

but i still dont know what sort of wood to ask at the timber merchants and at what grade

 

[hedgerow pete]

Douglas Fir * Pitch Pine Hemlock * Thermowood *
Western Red Cedar * Siberian Larch * Southern Yellow Pine

ok people which is normaly the cheapest to buy and what sort of prices are they

 

[fredbloggs]

Pete

You need magnesium sulphate for the splinter and a tennis ball for the bad back.

All those woods mentioned will cost you an arm bought new? If you want pine that is carpenter grade from a wood merchant, it is known as deal in the trade or redwood. This is not to be confused with cedar "redwood". It differentiates it from whitewood which is a cheaper pine not suitable for jointing. Considering the squirrel stock varieties you have got, why not experiment with that?

Wood is sold in metric lengths and multiples of .3 of a metre. It is priced in the cubic metre which you get by multiplying all three dimrnsions.

Use a calculator!
Regards

FB

 

[hedgerow pete]

i only know of parana pine because we used to make window cills wth it

Dont think so

The 2nd one I don’t think one exists strange name deal , also says tom,

mey i was right, as i was always under the impression that, joinery grade wood, ie few knott decent grain was called deal too!

and phrina pine was always used as window cill boards for thr inside of houses for most of my life its only since the mid 80's did naff mdf take over its role.

deal it is then, i only need about 10 metres at 50mm by 50mm so that ant going to cost the earth???

 

[BKF Admin]

i only know of parana pine because we used to make window cills wth it

I made my own from piranha pine,looks really nice after a wire wool and a bit of wax.

I think red pine is the better stuff for woodwork.
White pine is more for shuttering and is often called deal.

From memory I think Deal is so called because the Americans used to buy white pine in bulk as it was cheap and purchased it after doing a "Deal" hence the name.

 

[Tom Bick]

and phrina pine was always used as window cill boards for thr inside of houses for most of my life its only since the mid 80's did naff mdf take over its role.

???

A window cill is the bit of wood on the outside the sloppy bit that the water runs off and drips down the front of the house this is what you referred to in one of your first posts.

A window board is the flat bit of timber on the inside of the house that sits over the brickwork or similar. You sort of refer to a window cill board in the post I am replying to.

Parana Pine a great timber in its right not the most stable and often had great colours in it but will rot away in a few years if left outside no good for a cill.

I still think deal is a strange name 30 years as a Joiner / cabinet maker and never bought any timber or referred to timber as deal, I hear people mention it but I think whats that. To me it’s a generalisation of a type of yellow, pine, white wood, spruce, off the shelf builders merchants standard stock.

If you are looking for 50 x 50 section then if you go to the builders merchant and look through their stock of 50 x 50 you may get one or two virtually knot free. If you are looking for a special timber you will have to go to a more specialist timber supplier and then you will have to take your chosen timber in the sizes they have sawn or if you are lucky they may do a machining service for you.

One very good timber I can recommend is Beena tree.

 

[hedgerow pete]

how much does beena tree wood cost