queen excluder , yes or no

[madasafish]

I don't use them in my TBHs.. Not really an issue. The queen lays in previous brood combs... but happily crosses honey combs to lay the length of the hive where she wants.
I'll try my Langs without...

 

[REDWOOD]

The word super is an American word for on top, so supering is not necessarily a honey box, I think the confusion lies with honey being stored on top so it is assumed that a super is a honey box. I use QE only because I have never had the bottle to go without. Interesting point rab made about supering too early and could be the fault by beekeepers trying to give them more room to avoid swarming but this will never work with a QE in place as this will only gives the bees more room and not the queen. A prolific colony will swarm in an undersise BB with a QE in place.
I will give it a go this year with one of two similar colonies, It will be interesting to see the results, timing being the essence of course

 

[Hivemaker.]

queen excluder , yes or no

Both, yes and no.

 

[sugarbush]

"Super" is Latin for above or over, Supra is "below". In the US we use the term "Super" to refer to any box above the brood nest. If you walk into a beeware dealer and say you need supers they will ask if you want mediums or shallows. The deep boxes we call brood boxes or just "deeps"

We only have lang type hives available commercially here so there is no confusion on sizes. I have dadant type hives, but those are custom built. Ironically if you go to Dadant and ask for dadant depth hives... they have no idea what you are talking about... They only sell langs.

 

[Briarfield]

"Super" is Latin for above or over, Supra is "below".

Sorry, but that's not correct.

Super means above, over or greater in English.

Supra is the Latin for above. As in the abbreviation v.s. used in references, meaning "see above" vide supra.

Infra is the Latin for below. As in InfraRed, ie below red in the spectrum.


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[REDWOOD]

I'll stick with uwchlaw

 

[Ely]

I didn't use one last year and I didn't miss it. I doubt I'll be using one this year either. It won't always be the case but last year the queen didn't move into the supers. She didn't cross the honey arch in the 14 x 12 and commercial brood boxes. It would be no problem if she did as I would like to encourage a large brood nest and a nearer to natural pattern. There are arguments towards happier bees but it's neither here nor there. Some beekeepers don't like the idea of eating or selling honey that has been stored in brood cells. It has likely been transported in and out of cells all over the hive despite having a queen excluder any way. I don't think people should be so prissy about a natural product sourced by insects anyhow.

Also, if you want perfect cut comb honey an excluder is probably useful. It's a tool to suit the beekeeper at the end of the day

 

[BeeJayBee]

"Super" is Latin for above or over, Supra is "below". In the US we use the term "Super" to refer to any box above the brood nest.

I agree with Briarfield with regard to linguistucs.

Super and supra are both superlatives, meaning higher or better than everything else. There are a lot of Latin words for below or beneath, the most common is sub/subtus. Here in UK the term 'nadir' is more commonly used alongside 'under-supering'.

None of which matters a jot when you're talking about buying boxes for hives. If you ask to buy a super you'll get a shallow box, the supplier won't be interested in asking you whereabouts in a hive you are planning to use it.

The confusion here for Langs is when people buy European standard without realising it, and so need to buy Modified Dadant shallow frames rather than Langstroth shallow frames.

 

[jenkinsbrynmair]

super, smashing, great! now let's look at what you could have won

I'm happy to use a QX, my bees don't seem to mind. Maybe it's because I live in Wales - not America or Finland!
(p.s. I use Oxalic as well - mix it myself but although I know how to I don't mix my own sugar syrup as I prefer to use Invert )

 

[VEG]

I use them on all my hives. Hasn't caused any hassle so will continue to use them

 

[Tom Bick]

Not even slightly tempted veg? I will give it a go this year as an experiment to see if there is any noticeable difference although I know one thing my drones will like it.

 

[VEG]

Not tempted