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We both did EXACTLY the same with our bees over the winter (insulation on, fed 2:1 syrup in Autumn, left fondant on over winter, treated for mites etc). Everything WE did was the same.

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Did you have the same colour beesuits.
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Silly Bee.

The point may have been missed that doing standard things is not necessarily the best response to the different conditions existing in different colonies.

For example providing the exact same amount of Autumn feed makes less sense than feeding whatever it happens to take to get the various colonies up to (the same) Wintering weight.
Similarly, different varroa loads should have different implications for treatment. And quite small differences in temperature can have large differences in Apiguard effectiveness - so it makes sense to check the varroa load *after* treatment.

Like Hivemaker's sig (quoting Brother Adam) says "Let the bees tell you."
I doubt that these bees would have been sending out identical messages.
But seemingly, they got the same handling.
 
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maybe i came across too literally. when i say we did exactly the same, I dont literally mean we put exactly the same amount of syrup on or the same amount of fondant.

I mean both our hives were fed as much as they were able to take down, both were treated for varroa with Apiguard and OA etc etc.

I mean our approaches and methods were the same, but I do get what you mean when you say that this was not necessarily the right way to go about it.
 
maybe i came across too literally. when i say we did exactly the same, I dont literally mean we put exactly the same amount of syrup on or the same amount of fondant.

I mean both our hives were fed as much as they were able to take down, both were treated for varroa with Apiguard and OA etc etc.

I mean our approaches and methods were the same, but I do get what you mean when you say that this was not necessarily the right way to go about it.


OK, but did they get up to the same (adequate) weight?
There can be many reasons for the bees stopping taking syrup - one is simply that it is too cold for them to store it.
If they stop and the hive is still on the light side, that is the time for the beek to be starting making his emergency plans.
Different fondant feeding details can mean the difference between the bees surviving and them being unable to access or process potentially dried-out fondant.
Did you check the varroa drops, or just treat 'blind'?

Since some of these 14x12s came from that year's swarms, another question in my mind is as to how well (how completely) the combs were drawn. That in turn influences how much storage capacity they had. And its way too late and cold for them to go back to comb drawing in September when there's lots of lovely syrup on offer, but nowhere left to stash the stuff!


Disease testing. Your local association should have at least one microscopy enthusiast who could look for Acarine and Nosema for you. A fresh sample of about 30 bees is needed, and a charge would be unlikely - though I daresay a pint of something would probably be well received.
I don't recall seeing a description of the dead-outs, which might have some clues for some of the folk on here.
Sanitising the hives as per Beebase recommendations would be sensible.
The main question would be over what to do with frames/comb and any stores remaining. And that would depend on likely cause of death. Burning them would be the safest course of action, but that may well not be needed.
 
If all else fails and you don't find anyone who test for nosema in your association then the NBU does it for £30

This year i am surprised how different the quantity of pollen loads is on some of the apiaries, it is always said pollen is not a problem in the uk, but with the extended season i think some sites are having problems due to lack of pollen collected last year
 
Old queens or young queens?
The difference has been more pronounced this year for me. Young ones have come through much better. I don't yet have the final tally but I reckon my survival rate of mini-nucs (all young queens) is going to be better than my full hives (various queen ages).
 
:iagree:

Mother and two daughters - all fly at different times one other hive out first thing, another - facing the rising sun not out 'til lunchtime

I have similar bees.. Some out in all weathers and out at the crack of dawn, the others not peeping out until lunchtime.
The early risers made a good amount of honey, and the late risers got none.

The hard working bees earnt their keep, but the late risers still had handouts

It is not only people that have welfare benefits.. :-/
 
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