Positioning of superseded cells

[North End Bees]

There’s always hope.

What, CGF??

 

[Erichalfbee]

What, CGF??

What indeed?

 

[jenkinsbrynmair]

No... the one who said ' I'm just going outside .. I may be a little while' sadly he never returned !

Laurence not Titus

 

[Curly green finger's]

That'll be a no then

Your explanation then pls? For this young wet behind the ears beekeeper?

 

[jenkinsbrynmair]

Your explanation then pls? For this young wet behind the ears beekeeper?

up to you to defend your statement seeing as it's you that keeps using the term.
The answer certainly isn't donkeys
or is it?

 

[Curly green finger's]

Interesting. Can you explain?

I thought that would be self explanatory?
What enduces swarming behaviour?
Natural instinct to want to reproduce yes but there is more, as we know some types of bee's build up quicker and are not suited to an area where the forage isn't so good.
Two genetic lines of bee's
On the same site in a field for 6 months of the year there is loads of forage.
The first line are slow to build up and more use to local hilly areas.
Hybrids that build up quicker and need space to expand taking advantage of the forage.
Which one in your opinion is going to swarm first?
Beowulf explains alot of this in his book ' the honey bees of the British Isles'

 

[pargyle]

Laurence not Titus

Alright .... I feel I know him so well I was being familiar... Captain Lawrence Edward Grace "Titus" Oates .. a very brave man...

 

[Curly green finger's]

up to you to defend your statement seeing as it's you that keeps using the term.
The answer certainly isn't donkeys
or is it?

It was one way of interpreting what I meant and what I think is meant by hybrid vigour which imo isn't far wrong.

 

[Erichalfbee]

I thought that would be self explanatory?
What enduces swarming behaviour?
Natural instinct to want to reproduce yes but there is more, as we know some types of bee's build up quicker and are not suited to an area where the forage isn't so good.
Two genetic lines of bee's
On the same site in a field for 6 months of the year there is loads of forage.
The first line are slow to build up and more use to local hilly areas.
Hybrids that build up quicker and need space to expand taking advantage of the forage.
Which one in your opinion is going to swarm first?

No. It doesn’t matter where your bees live. If they are strong and vigorous they make swarm preps earlier than small colonies ticking along.
You said

You take a colony that has less vigour to crops they will swarm.

 

[Curly green finger's]

It all goes over my head.

 

[jenkinsbrynmair]

Alright .... I feel I know him so well I was being familiar... Captain Lawrence Edward Grace "Titus" Oates .. a very brave man...

Whilst the other Titus was just a fantasist who changed his story (which seldom resembled the truth) whenever he sensed the wind was changing.

 

[Curly green finger's]

Yes because they can't cope with the forage that's my point.
There isn't enough bees in the colony to cope with comb building etc.
Apologies my signal is really bad as I'm out on the hills.

 

[Erichalfbee]

Yes because they can't cope with the forage that's my point.
There isn't enough bees in the colony to cope with comb building etc.
Apologies my signal is really bad as I'm out on the hills.

So in your experience small colonies swarm earlier than big ones. You have the wrong bees

 

[Curly green finger's]

Maybe yes in that location, but as I said bee type for a specific location.

 

[jenkinsbrynmair]

So in your experience small colonies swarm earlier than big ones.

Because they can't 'cope' with the forage!!

 

[Erichalfbee]

Maybe yes in that location, but as I said bee type for a specific location.

But that’s just not true.

 

[user 20297]

I’m glad you said some.
I’m hoping you excluded knocking queen cells down

Yes. It's the wider concept, of sort of "playing" your bees rather than "playing" with your bees, that I like

 

[Erichalfbee]

Yes. It's the wider concept, of sort of "playing" your bees rather than "playing" with your bees, that I like

I think working with your bees is a better concept

 

[Curly green finger's]

But that’s just not true.

Why not? If I had 50 colonys of either types I wonder who would perform better and which ones would swarm the most.
The colonys that had the bees to perform and build up rapidly or the colonys that didn't.
A bit like me eating as much food as I can in comparison to a bigger guy who can put it away for fun and have the capacity to utilise it.

 

[Erichalfbee]

Why not? If I had 50 colonys of either types I wonder who would perform better and which ones would swarm the most.
The colonys that had the bees to perform and build up rapidly or the colonys that didn't.
A bit like me eating as much food as I can in comparison to a bigger guy who can put it away for fun and have the capacity to utilise it.

No you are still saying that small colonies swarm more readily than big ones that build up rapidly.