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What confuses me is that bees as well as cats and dogs won't drink tap water but mix it with sugar and bees have no problem ! is it when we warm the water for the sugar to dissolve quicker that the chemicals in water such as chlorine evaporate ?
 
A little is less than a tea spoon in 2 pint water 2 lb of sugar mix. Its for the mineral supplement that they like it. like a salt lick for cattle etc'.


You do not give up in your findings

Plese, try to understand that nutrition knowledge is developed during last 70 years. (Mr Hamilton in His book ,which is dated back to the 1950's)

A bee is not a cow.

For example no pollen patty recipe has salt inside

But I have warned. Do try everything fool with your hives what guys say.
 
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But about winter feeding...

You do not need to know about ph or chemicals. You just mix water and sugar 1:2 and feed hives full. Full, because then bees cap the cells. They do not cap partly filled cells.

I suppose that most of homes have tap water in Britain and do not have own well on back yard

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What confuses me is that bees as well as cats and dogs won't drink tap water but mix it with sugar and bees have no problem ! is it when we warm the water for the sugar to dissolve quicker that the chemicals in water such as chlorine evaporate ?

Sure about the cats and dogs? SOME don't but ours do.
 
I know what I am talking. I am graduated in biochemistry in university. And I know enought about issue what a beekeeprs needs.


In Helsinki tapwater hardenes is 1,5. I have succeeded to rear neontetra aquarium fish eggs to adult fish in that water. I have rearer too one heard of cardinal tetra too from eggs. Try to find somebody whoi has done that.


We have in Finland quite acid and soft waters in nature. Tap water pH is justified because it prevents corrosion of metal tubes. Joints leaks copper if raw water is not justed.

Helsinki water factory uses 14 chemicals whn it treats lake water to tap water.

I have seen that chemistry skills are out of poor in this forum. Awfull level.

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Bees need not any special things. You just mix tap water and sugar.

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WIKI: The Päijänne Water Tunnel (Päijänne is a lake) located in Southern Finland, is the world's second longest continuous rock tunnel (after the Delaware Aqueduct in the USA). It is 120 kilometers (75 mi) long and runs 30–100 meters under the surface in bedrock. The purpose of the tunnel is to provide fresh water for the million plus people in Southern Finland in the cities of Helsinki, Espoo, Vantaa, Hyvinkää, Järvenpää, Kerava, Kauniainen, Kirkkonummi, Sipoo, and Tuusula. The former Porvoo Rural Municipality, now merged with the municipality of Porvoo, also took part in the building of the scheme but has never drawn water from it for domestic use.

Sorry Finman I did not realise that once again you are the world's authority on this subject as you have studied Biochemistry at Universitynot worthynot worthynot worthynot worthynot worthynot worthynot worthynot worthy
 
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Wasting of life with you
not only time

4 hives and you are capable to noncellate or university system even.



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I think some should actually listen to Finman's message and look past the style and the rancour.

He knows his subject, and most of the rest on here belongs in the books of bee lore rather than bee fact. Lore is powerful however, and even leads one of the leading syrup vendors to negative market against other brands as it has neutral ph as opposed to the somewhat acidic ph of competing brands. The gullible lap that nonsense up yet in actual fact it is the OTHER brands that are closer to natural ph.

Also on this thread there has been mention of acid inversion. Not entirely clear if the implication was that branded syrups are acid inverted or not. So far as I am aware NONE of the leading brands are acid inverted, all being enzymatically inverted. Acid inversion is a long obsolete technology.
 
Just checked Welsh Water and the do still use chlorine:
Chlorine is added to drinking water during the final stages of treatment to kill any harmful germs that may be present. A small amount of chlorine remains in the water as it makes its way to customers' taps in order to maintain its wholesomeness. Chlorine levels in drinking water are kept well within the recommended limits. Customers who live near a water treatment works or an automatic chlorine booster station will receive drinking water with slightly higher chlorine levels than those living further down the distribution system as chlorine levels decline the further water travels through the water mains.
I must have fussy cats who like pond water
 
The Text below is taken from http://www.usab-tm.ro/vol10bMV/51_vol10b.pdf

The Intestine of adult bees has a pH of 5.6 – 6.3, and reserve feed they consume
(honey and bee bread) has a pH between 4.5 and 5. Pollen has the pH greater than 5.5.
According to previous experiments, bees tolerated best feed with pH ranged from 4.7 to 6.6.
Pasture used for the experiment was artificial, with pH decreased by fermentation to 4.94
and pollen with pH reduced by addition of citric acid and hydrochloric acid, to 4.66 (pH of
final mixture). Control group received a mixture of honey with pollen (pH 5.41). Bee families
were fed during February-March. The lot who received citric acid raised more juvenile than
the control group and other groups less juvenile, but the differences were not statistically significant.
According to the literature, the intestinal pH is 5.6-6.3 for adult bees and
6.8 for the larvae. It seems that the digestion is adapted to acid feed, which is preferred to the neutral or alkaline. Food pH above 7 leads to imbalances and promote digestive diseases.

In bees feed, the administration of pollen substituent of different pH levels
was experienced. Groups that were given food with a pH of 4.7, 5.5 and 6.6 had the maximum consumption and efficiency translated by area occupied by juveniles on comb. Lots that received substitutes with pH 4.1 and 8 had the lowest efficiency and the lowest consumption.

It turned out that bees prefer acidic foods and honey and bee bread has
the pH below 5, fresh or frozen pollen has pH greater than 5.
 
No comment then Finman ?
 
No comment then Finman ?

What I should comment

Bees thrive on an acid gut.

The Ph of anything fed to bees should be in the range 4.5 - 5.0.

Report: The Intestine of adult bees has a pH of 5.6 – 6.3, and reserve feed they consume




It is necessary to remember all figures right, that is not the question.

I wonder what alcaline plant food would be in nature (for bees)?

Tap water is pH 8, but its buffer feature is weak.
When bees drink normal soil water, pH is often 6.5

And most of beekeepers use tap water. I have a good pH meter, value £ 80, but I do not mind measure syrup pH, because it is not needed. When you feed bees for winter, you need no chemistry skills. Normal sugar is very good for bees. It needs no additive chemicals. Of couse you may buy 2-3 fold more expencive sugar to bees and you believe that it helps something.



I know that beekeepers does not understand much about honey bee nutrition. They are ready to give what ever poison to bees if somebody says.

If I write that skimmed milk is NOT good for bees, after 2 minutes guys are mixing skimmed milk to pollen patty. 50% out of skimmed milk is lactose and bees cannot digest it. ...But research reports it means nothing to most of guys.

http://www.beeccdcap.uga.edu/documents/CAPArticle10.html

"bees are unable to digest rhaminose, xylose, arabinose, galactose, mannose, lactose, raffinose, melibiose or stachyose."

Skimmed milk: http://www.fineli.fi/food.php?foodid=672&lang=en ....53% lactose

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What confuses me is that bees as well as cats and dogs won't drink tap water but mix it with sugar and bees have no problem ! is it when we warm the water for the sugar to dissolve quicker that the chemicals in water such as chlorine evaporate ?

My hens would sooner drink rainwater out of a muddy puddle than the fresh tapwater in their drinker which gets changed daily ... tells you something doesn't it ... ?

Finman .... you are right - not many UK homes have well water these days ... Where I live the water is very hard and tastes foul ... and you've never lived until you've drunk the AWFUL beer that breweries using it made. (Don't think Brickwoods and Gales are still brewed locally any more).

Best water in the country is probably Sheffield ... soft and fresh ... straight off the Millstone grit in the Peak District and just lovely to drink. Some of the best beers are brewed using that water as well ...
 
Those "bees prefer xxx drinking water" are mostly production of beekepers imagination.
Bees use very wide range of drinking water.

Morning mist on plant leaves is very pure water. Ion concentration is low. Thousands of bees collect it in the morning and does not go to "dirty pools" like we say.

Honeybee is very flexible animal and stands many kind of things. It may drink too from pools which has died rotten frog guppies. Or it drinks juices from farm houses sludge container leakings. And rain water, morning mist, from the edge of roof water barrel. It is strange that larvae do not became sick from all these stuff.

Roof water is often very dirty. You see when you loot at the bottom of the barrel: dust from street, ash from chimney, bird poo, wind carried rubbish. I have measured the roof water pH and it has been 8. It comes from chimney ash.

One main water source of bees: morming mist

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My hens would sooner drink rainwater out of a muddy puddle than the fresh tapwater in their drinker which gets changed daily ... tells you something doesn't it ... ?

Finman .... you are right - not many UK homes have well water these days ... Where I live the water is very hard and tastes foul ... and you've never lived until you've drunk the AWFUL beer that breweries using it made. (Don't think Brickwoods and Gales are still brewed locally any more).

Best water in the country is probably Sheffield ... soft and fresh ... straight off the Millstone grit in the Peak District and just lovely to drink. Some of the best beers are brewed using that water as well ...

I once opened up a plate heat exchanger providing hot tap water in a sheffield hotel using mains supply. Absolutely lined with dirty brown residue reported to be colour particles from its peatland source. It made me grateful my local clear, hard East Yorkshire water has none of that. Taste is good and crisp, but purely subject to opinion.
We use more soap because of the hardness but that's life.
 
My hens would sooner drink rainwater out of a muddy puddle than the fresh tapwater in their drinker .

Mine have no problems drinking our tap water - but then again it is fresh Black Mountain spring water (although treated) filtered through limestone and silica and tastes absolutely superb.
Around about year 2000 my grandparents (both in their late 80's) were forced to change their electric kettle as it had sprung a leak - they'd bought it when they had electrickery installed back in the late 1950's. - after all those years of serious tea making, there wasn't a spot of limescale in the thing
 
Mine have no problems drinking our tap water - but then again it is fresh Black Mountain spring water (although treated) filtered through limestone and silica and tastes absolutely superb.
Around about year 2000 my grandparents (both in their late 80's) were forced to change their electric kettle as it had sprung a leak - they'd bought it when they had electrickery installed back in the late 1950's. - after all those years of serious tea making, there wasn't a spot of limescale in the thing

This seems to be turning into a "who has the nicest water thread" ;)
 

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