ph of syrup

[hallshoney]

is there anyone out there who adds cider vinegar to syrup if so how much ?

 

[blackcavebees]

Not me, but interested in why you would? I just use thymol, Manley x1

 

[hiveabee]

I ad a little bit of salt, as advised by Mr Hamilton in His book ,which is dated back to the 1950's. The girls seem to like it.

 

[Hachi]

I ad a little bit of salt, as advised by Mr Hamilton in His book ,which is dated back to the 1950's. The girls seem to like it.

how much is a little?

 

[Finman]

,
When you read modern bee nutrition researches, salt is said none of these

Ph justification is said either.


.

 

[drstitson]

"but interested in why you would?"

to partially invert the sucrose.

 

[blackcavebees]

"but interested in why you would?"

to partially invert the sucrose.

Interesting

 

[Beauhawk]

"but interested in why you would?"

to partially invert the sucrose.

I hadn't heard about salt but I know that citric acid, ascorbic acid or Cream of tartar plus heat can help invert some of the sugar syrup.

 

[Little John]

"but interested in why you would?"

to partially invert the sucrose.

Why do people bother with partially inverting sucrose ?

The amount of sucrose inverted is only a couple of percent - what significant difference is that going to make ?

Perhaps they think that 'partial invertion' means that all of the syrup is somehow given a head's start towards being more digestable. But it doesn't, and it isn't.

LJ

 

[ichbinpaul]

Why do people bother with partially inverting sucrose ?

The amount of sucrose inverted is only a couple of percent - what significant difference is that going to make ?

Perhaps they think that 'partial invertion' means that all of the syrup is somehow given a head's start towards being more digestable. But it doesn't, and it isn't.

LJ

And even if it did make it more digestable, would it not make them a little more active at times when it is counter productive?

 

[sipa]

Be careful with salt, although insects(Bees) require electrolytes salt is highly toxic to bees , certainly at higher levels.

 

[Finman]

.
LiSTEN GUYS!!!!!!!!!!

When you look modern honey bee nutrition reports, no report recommend invert sugar, add acid or salt. Does it mean something to you. YOu pick someone's ideas from somewhere and then you rae ready to try it with your hives. That makes no sence. It is a good way to kill your hives. And winter is difficult top bees without extra tricks!

Very importmat is that the hive has some pollen stores too in the hive. Bees get energy from sugar or from honey, and the rest they get from pollen.


Beekeeping University resesarches!

Key Word to google "honey bee nutrition".
They have been written with your mother language.

http://faculty.ksu.edu.sa/alkhazim/Documents/Books/كتاب تغذية النحل الاسترالي.pdf


http://www.honeybee.com.au/Library/pollen/nutrition.html

http://www.dpi.nsw.gov.au/__data/as...honey-bee-nutrition-supplementary-feeding.pdf

http://www.life.illinois.edu/robinson/Research/Pdf/AmentEtAlNutSystems10.pdf

. Honeybee nutrition things has been know well 60 years, when first real reports were published in German 1953 about aminoacids and proteins in nutrition.

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[itma]

"but interested in why you would?"

to partially invert the sucrose.

I am a fan of using commercial (bee) invert syrup for late feeding.


But I think that acid inversion of sucrose (whether with cooking or simply standing) is NOT a good idea for bees. (Its fine for humans, and widely employed in cake-making.)

Acidity promotes HMF formation. (As well as inversion.)
HMF is toxic to bees.
Hence the idea of acidifying their stores, to increase in HMF all through the winter, just sounds plain wrong to me.

I suspect that this idea comes from the days before HMF was understood.
Enough HMF (not very much) kills bees.
Less than the lethal dose acts as a "negative tonic". The bees would be better, and do better, without it.

 

[jenkinsbrynmair]

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LiSTEN GUYS!!!!!!!!!!
.

Didn't go then Finny?

 

[Teebeeaitch]

Does this help?

"Honey and real pollen are the proper food of bees. Sugar syrup has a much higher pH (6.0) than Honey (3.2 to 4.5) (Sugar is more alkali). Stating the same thing conversely, honey has a much lower pH than sugar syrup (Honey is more acidic). The brood diseases all reproduce more at the pH of sugar (6.0) than at the pH of honey (~4.5). And this is not to mention that honey and real pollen are more nutritious than pollen substitute and sugar syrup."

 

[sipa]

Bees thrive on an acid gut.

The Ph of anything fed to bees should be in the range 4.5 - 5.0.

 

[Finman]

Bees thrive on an acid gut.

The Ph of anything fed to bees should be in the range 4.5 - 5.0.

you do not understand what you are writing.

Tap water pH is 8.
Rain water from roof has eight id it gets ash from owen.

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[Finman]

Didn't go then Finny?

you have repeated that 62 times during last 2 weeks.

Repeating makes a master

 

[itma]

Bees thrive on an acid gut.

And the human gut has a pH that go as low as 1.5 ... but that doesn't mean that our food should all (or ideally) be as acidic as CocaCola (Classic is 2.5).

With sugar and acid there is the special consideration of HMF.

 

[itma]

Didn't go then Finny?

Who?