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I was assuming there was no problem before the introduction of the bees.
My understanding is that the bees were not a problem until the neighbour raised the level of his garden. If so, he caused the problem and has himself to blame.

Something that really ************* me off is urbanites who move into a rural area then complain about being woken up early every morning by the cockerel along the road, or the smell of the fertiliser being spread on the fields once a year. I'm not sure, but I think I detect a similar situation here.
 
Something that really ************* me off is urbanites who move into a rural area then complain about being woken up early every morning by the cockerel along the road,
Tell me!!!
Our cockerel gets snaffled from his hens at bed time to spend his night in a dog crate in the basement thanks to an unidentified neighbour who complained about him to the council......we live in the countryside, our neighbour obviously has his head in town.
AND all our neighbours have had eggs and honey off us.
 
Tell me!!!
Our cockerel gets snaffled from his hens at bed time to spend his night in a dog crate in the basement thanks to an unidentified neighbour who complained about him to the council......we live in the countryside, our neighbour obviously has his head in town.
AND all our neighbours have had eggs and honey off us.
Just thought I should add - I'm an urbanite who moved to a small village. I would not presume to tell a neighbour to kill his hypothetical cockerel, or move his hypothetical bees, just because I moved into the area and find them a bit of a nuisance. Just as I would not presume to make my neighbours change their lifestyle because I made an unforeseen mistake when I altered my garden layout.
 
My understanding is that the bees were not a problem until the neighbour raised the level of his garden. If so, he caused the problem and has himself to blame.

Something that really ************* me off is urbanites who move into a rural area then complain about being woken up early every morning by the cockerel along the road, or the smell of the fertiliser being spread on the fields once a year. I'm not sure, but I think I detect a similar situation here.

It's a problem that may have been caused by the neighbour's raising the level of his garden, but it's a problem that neither he nor, more significantly, Pete foresaw. He shouldn't be condemned for doing something eminently reasonable with his own property. Had Pete realised that there may have been interference with his bee' flight path he would have been able to raise it at the outset.

If an experienced beekeeper can't spot a potential problem, don't attack a non beek for his ignorance.
 
If an experienced beekeeper can't spot a potential problem, don't attack a non beek for his ignorance.
I'm not attacking anyone. I'm suggesting that they should accept the consequences of their own actions and take some responsibility. Is that unreasonable?
 
I agree with anothernewbie here after long consideration. Lots could be done for both parties to be happy and safe and for the problems to disappear. But that won't happen because one party wants a nice raised lawn. We have ended up with one very happy neighbour and one put out and disheartened neighbour instead of a very easy to reach potential of two very happy neighbours. Very one sided
 
I'm impressed by the patience of the affronted neighbour.

If it were me, I think I just might have thrown a petrol filled balloon onto the hive closely followed by a lit sparkler!
 
I agree with anothernewbie here after long consideration. Lots could be done for both parties to be happy and safe and for the problems to disappear. But that won't happen because one party wants a nice raised lawn. We have ended up with one very happy neighbour and one put out and disheartened neighbour instead of a very easy to reach potential of two very happy neighbours. Very one sided

I must admit I have been surprised at how one sided this appears to be. It has been said the neighbour has a right to quiet enjoyment of his garden but surely so has the original poster.

I also suspect that in a situation like this the "offended party" will do nothing the alleviate the situation e.g. erect the fence which has been purchased for him,because he knows in the long run he can force his neighbour to move his bees.
 
Move the bees - no argument, just move the bees.

Oh and apologise for the inconvenience,
 
I must admit I have been surprised at how one sided this appears to be. It has been said the neighbour has a right to quiet enjoyment of his garden but surely so has the original poster.

I also suspect that in a situation like this the "offended party" will do nothing the alleviate the situation e.g. erect the fence which has been purchased for him,because he knows in the long run he can force his neighbour to move his bees.

Yip. Both parties could easily be happy with a bit of work but unfortunately due to the stigma of bees the neighbour will get away with doing sod all and getting everything his way.

The arguement of being possibly allergic doesn't hold with me either. During summer his garden will be full of all types of stinging insects reguadless if there is a beekeeper next door or not. Usually the bees right next door will travel further away anyway.
 
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I would imagine that the owner of the property has every right (subject to appropriate permissions) to modify his property. His property is permanent. Bees are transient (and seemingly pose a risk to the neighour's welfare in this case). Keep bees by all means, but also respect that a duty of care is owed. The bees pose the risk so surely that risk must be managed. I would suggest that the modification to the garden isn't the issue here.
 
I despair. A few years ago beekeeping was seen as the trendy new thing to so, socially responsible and with the vast majority of beekeepers seen as helping the environment and helping society at large. The discussion on here after this:

Any advice really welcomed!!
Have a neighbour that is constantly getting stung by my bees.
Have bought him a veil to wear (but he won't wear it because he says he gets to hot) Cutting grass in a t shirt and shorts when outside temp, is 8°C.
Have bought 4x2 Mt. willow screen to shield his side of the hedge to drive them up - but he wont put it up.
Am cutting his lawn so he doesn't have to go there.
This guy is really sensed by my girls. - I take all my family close to the hives and no problem but as soon as he goes into his garden they want to sting him.
He says he showers regularly and does not wear any scent but as soon as he is in the vicinity they make a beeline for him.
Maybe the third line says it - he is too hot - is it a beacon?
Am going to requeen when available from a friendly source but not sure if this will solve the problem.
Very reluctant to move my bees as I have a great setup - and I was there first by a long time!
Does anyone have an idea on the way forward?
Pete.

and this:

yep - Ive seen them going for him and he had to go to hospital last year for treatment. Yesterday I was next to my hives with the girls coming in and out without a problem; as soon as he came by on the other side of the hedge I could see two go for him and the result was he didn't get stung but he beat a retreat waving and dancing back to his house.
They are sensing that he is an antagonist and go straight for him.
P.

... shows that this will change. We are now a community that clearly has a sprinkling of members who have no clue at all about social responsibility and doing our beekeeping in a safe manner that doesn't impinge on others. If this is the forum that such beekeepers gravitate to, then the great majority (I assume!) of sensible, thoughtful beekeepers on here need to step forward and argue against such madness.

Bees sting, bees can and do kill. Full colonies of bees are wholely inappropriate for small and many medium-sized suburban gardens. If you want to risk it you need to accept that you need an escape plan which you can put into action at short notice. And then use that plan. People have a right to enjoy their time in their gardens, whether or not they have terraced those gardens. Any case where a neighbour is getting stung repeatedly, and most obviously where the neighbour has had to go to hospital for treatment is absolutely, 100% clear - no need to argue, no need to seek support on internet fora - the bees must go.

Just to pick on the last in a series of posts that need challenged:

..... but unfortunately due to the stigma of bees the neighbour will get away with doing sod all and getting everything his way.

The arguement of being possibly allergic doesn't hold with me either.

A neighbour getting things his way - when he is attacked regularly by the bees of his neighbour? Can't cut his own grass?! Being possibly allergic doesn't hold with you? Do you know how dangerous this is? People die from bee stings. In this case, the beekeeper already knows that there is a serious problem. It is utterly irresponsible to leave the situation as it is. Deal with it, or you are risking your neighbour's well-being never mind his enjoyment of his garden. And knowingly leaving a neighbour's well-being at risk - especially when you are having experienced beekeepers telling you on fora that this is risky - could lead you into serious trouble.

C'mon the silent majority of experienced beekeepers reading this - time to say it like it is!
 
People have a right to enjoy their time in their gardens, whether or not they have terraced those gardens.

I couldn't agree more Peter also has a right to enjoy his garden. I will come back to this point below.

A neighbour getting things his way - when he is attacked regularly by the bees of his neighbour? Can't cut his own grass?! Being possibly allergic doesn't hold with you? Do you know how dangerous this is?

Yes I know how dangerous it is but he has not taken Peter's enjoyment of Peter's garden in to account. He has removed some of his privacy by raising his lawn.

Peter Nicholson said
Have bought 4x2 Mt. willow screen to shield his side of the hedge to drive them up - but he wont put it up.
Am cutting his lawn so he doesn't have to go there.

Peter has bent over backwards to try to remove the problem If the neighbour would erect the fence (which has been bought for him for heavens sake) the problem would almost certainly be solved. However he seems IMO hell bent on stopping Peter enjoying his garden in the way he wants to.

Incidentally I agree with your basic point that gardens are often not the place for bees. However there has to be give and take in all neighbour relationships and this guy seems to be no give and all take.

Peter if he won't erect the fence why don't you ask for it back and put it up on your side?
 
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At the sake of repeating myself there is no discussion room here.
All the neighbour has to do is to complain to the council and the bees will HAVE to be moved.
I suggest Pete does what we on this forum have advised for some time - i.e it is a very good idea for all beekeepers keeping bees in their garden to have a back-up apiary site in the event of this happening.

This "sentiment" has been posted many times on here Gavin. It's just that a few choose not to listen and some of the newer keepers don't want to accept it. The majority of us know it is sensible to be on good terms with out neighbours and have advised accordingly for several years.
 
I couldn't agree more Peter also has a right to enjoy his garden. I will come back to this point below.



Yes I know how dangerous it is but he has not taken Peter's enjoyment of Peter's garden in to account. He has removed some of his privacy by raising his lawn.



Peter has bent over backwards to try to remove the problem If the neighbour would erect the fence (which has been bought for him for heavens sake) the problem would almost certainly be solved. However he seems IMO hell bent on stopping Peter enjoying his garden in the way he wants to.

Incidentally I agree with your basic point that gardens are often not the place for bees. However there has to be give and take in all neighbour relationships and this guy seems to be no give and all take.

Peter if he won't erect the fence why don't you ask for it back and put it up on your side?

Couldn't agree more. Social responsibility is a double edged sword. We must be socially responsible, but we have the right to expect others to be socially responsible in kind.

The OP's neighbour is not being socially responsible. He is imposing his will on the OP, not working toward an acceptable compromise. He's being a bully and, unfortunately, he will win. I never like to see a bully win whether he's right or wrong.

There has been no evidence, in this discussion, that the neighbour is at risk of anaphylaxis. Only a comment that he was hospitalised. I've worked with the ambulance service, and been a partner of an A+E Specialist nursing sister for long enough to know that 'was hospitalised' can mean anywhere from 'he wanted something kissed better' to 'I've seen more viable looking road kill'. So, I'll take 'he was hospitalised' with a large pinch of salt until the OP gives more detail about 'he was hospitalised'.

An out-apiary would be a good idea, but not for the purpose of allowing the neighbour to get away with his bullying. I predict that once the bees are moved, this neighbour will quickly find something else to complain about.
 
Move the bees.

You have knowledge that your bees are causing a problem - you are on notice. You also know that your neighbour suffers an extreme allergic reaction when stung/has been hospitalised. Lawyers would rub their hands with glee at this one.
A court of law would ask: "What would a reasonable beekeeper do?"
The answer lies in the advice given by the BBKA and other regional associations about siting apiaries - BBKA Advisory leaflet Number B11 and Leaflet Number B1, Bees and Neighbours.
They would see the recommendation that beekeepers should consider whether the site will cause a nuisance to neighbours or to the general public - will your neighbours or the public be safe from being stung? This is just common sense.
Deal with the issue about the fact the neighbour raised his garden separately
 
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The majority of us know it is sensible to be on good terms with out neighbours and have advised accordingly for several years.

As I have said I basically agree often gardens are not suitable for bees. With regard to being on good terms with your neighbour. How on earth can you be on good terms with a neighbour who a) removes the privacy from your garden b) won't even try to make it possible for you both to enjoy your garden by erecting the fence which has been bought for him.

Yes in this position I would reluctantly move the bees but I doubt if I could ever be cordial let alone on good terms with such a neighbour.
 
I see my quote has been edited to look the most drastic. If you read it all the summary is - Both neighbours can be happy and SAFE with a little comprimise.
 

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