"Native"

[ShinySideUp]

That's beekeeping.
Ask 3 beekeepers and get 5 answers, 4 of which are total rubbish and the fifth is to a different question.

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That's funny, I like that.

 

[MartinL]

. . . . . Perhaps next we can debate string theory as opposed to loop quantum gravity.

Perhaps, that's why nobody talks to you in the pub?

 

[MartinL]

Nobody is wrong or loses anymore.

It's hard to believe that this is the place where I had a happy childhood.

Childhood is our time spent as children.
However, townies don't have children they're all "young persons".

What ever happened to working for what you want?
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If you (and everyone around you) are on £40G+ for sitting on your fat backside pushing out sprogs every 11 months, there is no prerequisite need or inspiration to work.

 

[Nige.Coll]

Going off topic now but I have talked to people that think the benefit cap at £400 a week is criminal.
I haven't been able to talk to them for long though. They get offended too easily.

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[yeogi75]

Going off topic now but I have talked to people that think the benefit cap at £400 a week is criminal.
I haven't been able to talk to them for long though. They get offended too easily.

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wish I could get that, six months before I retire and put on dole £55.00 a week should be £73.00 but because I get a pension they takeaway anything above £50.00 off dole money, released due to ill health bummer

 

[ShinySideUp]

Perhaps, that's why nobody talks to you in the pub?

I fear, but am secretly pleased, that you may well be right.

 

[Fusion_power]

Nettles.... brought in by the Romans?

European nettle was once a cultivated plant that made a valuable iridescent fabric.

The definition of "native" gets into trouble when the time frame is extended far enough. How would you characterize a species that once thrived in an area but is now extinct? Is it an "extinct native"? What about a species that is endemic to an area today but originated elsewhere? Chickens are found around the world today yet they originated in Southeast Asia or perhaps India depending on which domestication event one accepts. I could argue that chickens are endemic to every continent except Antarctica. Where are they native?

Now where did honeybees originate?

I would gladly sit in that pub and debate string theory with you, but don't particularly accept it as a valid rationalization of the universe we live in.

 

[Finman]

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Here is a good explanation to native and endemic.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Endemism

The word endemic is from New Latin endēmicus, from Greek ενδήμος, endēmos, "native."

The term, precinctive, has been suggested by some scientists,[a] and was first used in botany by MacCaughey in 1917. It is the equivalent of "endemism.

Endemism is the ecological state of a species being unique to a defined geographic location, such as an island, nation, country or other defined zone, or habitat type; organisms that are indigenous to a place are not endemic to it if they are also found elsewhere. The extreme opposite of endemism is cosmopolitan distribution. An alternative term for a species that is endemic is precinctive, which applies to species (and subspecific categories) that are restricted to a defined geographical area.

Merriam -Websters says: :
restricted or peculiar to a locality or region •endemic diseases •an endemic species


So, if we say that "dandelion is endemic to Ireland", the world is used simply wrong. Dandelion is world wide.

Now we are quite near that "Black bee is endemic of native to Ireland", that is as wrong. But if it makes the people happy, let it be so. .

 

[Finman]

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So.... When native and endemic terms tell, that the plant or animal has a restricted place, and not spread to other places, it tells what it is.

Black bee belongs belongs to original nature of Western Europe, then it is endemic to Western Europe.

If some one wants that Black bee is endemic to each Western European village, let it be so. It does not harm anything. That term does not go through in scientific litterature, but it suits well in forum discussion. Forums have so much other nonsense things that let it be.


Merely beekeeping term, Oxford dictionaries: "The occupation of owning and breeding bees for their honey."

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[Poly Hive]

At the inaugural meeting last Saturday of the Scottish Native Bee Society it was mentioned that if Brother Adam had concentrated on Amm where would we be now?

Something I have long wondered.

PH

 

[REDWOOD]

No point going to the dark side FB page then - not allowed to question anyone there - no losers, if they're wrong you get a bollocking for telling them so!!

And kicked off

 

[madasafish]

At the inaugural meeting last Saturday of the Scottish Native Bee Society it was mentioned that if Brother Adam had concentrated on Amm where would we be now?

Something I have long wondered.

PH

Relying on imports?

 

[Swarm]

Varroa free?

 

[Poly Hive]

Well none of us can say if the V issue is at his door or not.

Why would we be relying on imports?

I worked for years with very good Amm and hey two to three tons a year is not to be sneezed at. some of course were better than others but the good ones were a joy.

Now if some one as crap as I am can get that result and have some very nice bees just imagine where we could be now if some proper breeding had been done.

Don't knee jerk............ponder.

PH

 

[Swarm]

Well none of us can say if the V issue is at his door or not.

Why would we be relying on imports?

I worked for years with very good Amm and hey two to three tons a year is not to be sneezed at. some of course were better than others but the good ones were a joy.

Now if some one as crap as I am can get that result and have some very nice bees just imagine where we could be now if some proper breeding had been done.

Don't knee jerk............ponder.

PH

It was a bit of a flip reply to the import one.
I agree entirely PH and it's great to see an effort being made at last.

 

[Fusion_power]

just imagine where we could be now if some proper breeding had been done.

Brother Adam documented very well the reasons why he used native black bees in his crosses. My memory of them is of a bee that was very prone to sting, more difficult to manage when working the combs, extremely susceptible to brood diseases, and predictable swarmers. There was not enough variability to select for better traits. Crossing Italians with the native black bees gave Brother Adam a combination from which to select for white cappings, wing size and strength, and wintering traits from the black bees combined with higher brood production, less swarming, and improved hygiene from the Italians. It is worth noting that he considered the native black bee a superior race in many traits such that he crossed to French black bees several times over the years. This is documented in Breeding the Honeybee. I don't think he could have achieved comparable results if limited only to the gene pool of the European Black Bee.