Let's allow bees to swarm !

[Dishmop]

This is how honeybees attempt to supress inbreeding in nature.
It isn't the swarm that you should be looking at. Its the queen and drones.

Ah Yes I get that. Just like the odd female in a meerkat family who will sneek out and mate with a male from another family.......As it was said on the porgramme I watched......its often instinctive for females to do this.

 

[Finman]

Is there any research that suggests that part of the swarmng instinct is to move to a different area to enable future queens to mate with different stock?
Other animals do it.

Nature has made cross mating systems to mix genes and get material to evolution. Even bacteria change genes. Human cromosomes have long strips of genes from viruses and from bacteria.

Nature does not try to make pure stocks. That is a human idea that races does not mix together. It derives from old rasism. Like human social classes do not mate together. And still humans took women from other tribes and made shildren with female slaves. That is part of big social lie in humankind.

All honey honey bees are same species and are crossed freely from German to South-Africa.

 

[Finman]

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But lets go to basics. If you let the hives swarm, and you let the swarms escape, you loose the honey yield.

150 years aho, when there was no way to stop swarming, bees swarmed. And if you caught the swarm, it collected to your honey, that famous 15 kg per hive. It is one super.

And now, when we know how to stop swarming, and how to get 100 kg honey from hive, lets return 150 y backwards. And let them to build their own combs and lets do things like cave men.

 

[MartinL]

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But lets go to basics. If you let the hives swarm, and you let the swarms escape, you loose the honey yield.

150 years aho, when there was no way to stop swarming, bees swarmed. And if you caught the swarm, it collected to your honey, that famous 15 kg per hive. It is one super.

And now, when we know how to stop swarming, and how to get 100 kg honey from hive, lets return 150 y backwards. And let them to build their own combs and lets do things like cave men.

Aww, I missed the pre edited version!

 

[B+.]

Nature does not try to make pure stocks. That is a human idea that races does not mix together. It derives from old rasism. Like human social classes do not mate together. And still humans took women from other tribes and made shildren with female slaves. That is part of big social lie in humankind.
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Would you be happier with the term "homogeneous group"?

 

[Finman]

Would you be happier with the term "homogeneous group"?

To describe what?

 

[B+.]

To describe what?

You don't seem to like the word "race" in the taxanomic ranking below species. I wondered what term you would be happier with to describe a regional group with identifiable characteristics.

 

[Finman]

You don't seem to like the word "race" in the taxanomic ranking below species. I wondered what term you would be happier with to describe a regional group with identifiable characteristics.

I have studied biology and genetics in university. I know the terms but it depends what is the problem we are handling. Race is normal term in biology.
Same with subspecies.

Genetic researchers are often different opinion about variabilily of creatures, how they should be called.
Animal breeders and plant breeders have their own names.

Genemapping has mixed nowadays old ideas which are mainly based on external habitus.

 

[B+.]

Genetic researchers are often different opinion about variabilily of creatures, how they should be called.

Agreed. The word is just a label. It doesn't matter what it is called. The point is that we understand it is subordinate to a species but with its own defining characteristics.

 

[For want of a better word]

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But lets go to basics. If you let the hives swarm, and you let the swarms escape, you loose the honey yield.

150 years aho, when there was no way to stop swarming, bees swarmed. And if you caught the swarm, it collected to your honey, that famous 15 kg per hive. It is one super.

And now, when we know how to stop swarming, and how to get 100 kg honey from hive, lets return 150 y backwards. And let them to build their own combs and lets do things like cave men.

I rather like the idea of being a cave man... on weekends only!

Yeghes da

 

[Russel]

Hi, I'm a New-Bee so please be patient and understand my ignorance. If the world is short of bees and the natural way of bees multiplying is swarming, why do we not encourage it ?
Shouldn't we stack up a super or two, collect a bit of honey for our larder and encourage swarming.
Of course if a swarm lands on a hospital or school then remove it and re home them.
If we as beekeepers are about supporting and helping nature are we not doing actually the opposite ?

Worldwide honeybees are on the increase , however in the USA & Russia they are in decline, draw your own conclusions why.
Finman brought this to the forum some time ago Factfish world beehives

Most bee keepers will inenvitably experience but allowing uncontrolled swarming is irresponsible bee keeping, we have a duty of care to the honeybees and the public.
Whilst it maybe true that most swarms that go feral die, those that do survive are more likely to be a pool for disease which can spread to the wider bee population whether feral or managed as they will no doubt cross paths /flowers at some point, which is detrimental to bees. A fact which seems to be lost on those advocating swarming and "natural" bee keeping.

 

[Dishmop]

I rather like the idea of being a cave man... on weekends only!

Yeghes da

You must learn to pillage before you burn though...

 

[Finman]

Worldwide honeybees are on the increase , however in the USA & Russia they are in decline, draw your own conclusions why.


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If you look statistic curve of USA, the hive number has been almost same 10 last years.

And from where you get Russian statistic on where you can trust on.
I have not heard that Russian beekeepers have special problems. 25 years ago when Soviet Union collapsed the beekeeping system collapsed too, and very badly.

Honey paradise company sells lots of beekeeping stuff to Russians in the half way of Helsinki and Russian border: Polyhives, extractors, stainless steel containers...