LASI Blog - high acceptance in the direct introduction of queens with smoke but without cages

[dickbowyer]

http://www.lasiqueenbees.com/blog/h...uction-of-queens-with-smoke-but-without-cages

Interesting?

 

[Erichalfbee]

Not just LASI queens

 

[Motobiman]

That's a keeper . . . .

 

[maddydog]

Heavily smoked colonies with the queen allowed to enter via the top bars is one thing, however, later in the blog they mention running her in via the entrance.....

 

[Motobiman]

Heavily smoked colonies with the queen allowed to enter via the top bars is one thing, however, later in the blog they mention running her in via the entrance.....

Not sure where your read that, are you sure you havent misunderstood?

 

[Zante]

Not sure where your read that, are you sure you havent misunderstood?

Towards the end

Direct introduction is less work as the queen can be introduced via the hive entrance, so that the hive does not need to be opened to introduce the cage or release the queen.

 

[Motobiman]

Towards the end

That just suggests direct introduction through the entrance is easier than throigh the top. either directly or via a cage, not that they did it via the entrance for this project.

The whole idea was to test the acceptance ratio for a queen being introduced through the top.

 

[jenkinsbrynmair]

I don't like the phrase 'high acceptance' how high is high? using a cage I'd expect more or less 100%

 

[MuswellMetro]

Has anyoneput them in your mouth or spit on them before running a queen in, like snelgrove suggests ?

 

[Motobiman]

Has anyoneput them in your mouth or spit on them before running a queen in, like snelgrove suggests ?

Do what?
Beam me up Scottie.

 

[Zante]

I don't like the phrase 'high acceptance' how high is high? using a cage I'd expect more or less 100%

They do give some figures depending on how long the hive has been queenless.

One day after introduction the hive was inspected to determine if the queen was present (accepted). Acceptance was: 6 days queenlessness (100%), 5 days (100%), 4 days (92%), 3 days (92%), 2 days (85%), 1 day (31%).

 

[Zante]

That just suggests direct introduction through the entrance is easier than throigh the top. either directly or via a cage, not that they did it via the entrance for this project.

The whole idea was to test the acceptance ratio for a queen being introduced through the top.

Agreed but maddydog commented that

Heavily smoked colonies with the queen allowed to enter via the top bars is one thing, however, later in the blog they mention running her in via the entrance.....

and from the text it does give the idea that is just as feasible even if they don't outright say it.

 

[Motobiman]

Agreed but maddydog commented that



and from the text it does give the idea that is just as feasible even if they don't outright say it.

So if they don't actually say it, they don't actually say it.

And you can hardly use a cage if you are going to introduce by walking in the entrance.

It's simply referring to another method, that's all and I bet if they hadn't, someone would say, 'what about walking them in the entrance then?!

 

[kazmcc]

Direct introduction of mated and virgin queens into queenless hives using ...

I'm not sure if the above will show as a link, but Sussex university did a pair on this done time ago. If I am ever lucky enough to own enough hives to try it, I'd love to.

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[kazmcc]

Direct introduction of mated and virgin queens into queenless hives using ...

I'm not sure if the above will show as a link, but Sussex university did a pair on this done time ago. If I am ever lucky enough to own enough hives to try it, I'd love to.

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Edit, it doesn't show as a link but type that into the bar and you will find it.

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[jenkinsbrynmair]

Has anyoneput them in your mouth or spit on them before running a queen in, like snelgrove suggests ?

How then? get her in your mouth, work up a good gobful of hockle, put your lips against the entrance then fire her out?

They do give some figures depending on how long the hive has been queenless.

One day after introduction the hive was inspected to determine if the queen was present (accepted). Acceptance was: 6 days queenlessness (100%), 5 days (100%), 4 days (92%), 3 days (92%), 2 days (85%), 1 day (31%).

Pretty poor then bit like their meaningful data on open mated magic queens

 

[Finman]

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That is very interesting data to me.

I have noticed long time ago, that when bees cap emergency cells, it is very easy to give the Queen to the hive. Acceptance is almost 100% even if I do not use smoke.

Goooood...!

 

[kevrhcfag]

Here is a link to the paper in 2008, which I think tehy are quoting

https://www.sussex.ac.uk/webteam/ga...8-hbee-direct-queen-introduction.pdf&site=398

 

[Obee1]

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That is very interesting data to me.

I have noticed long time ago, that when bees cap emergency cells, it is very easy to give the Queen to the hive. Acceptance is almost 100% even if I do not use smoke.

Goooood...!

Aha! This is what I wanted to know. What do you think is the best time period between removing capped eQC and giving them a mated queen?

 

[Erichalfbee]

The last similar one I did I took out 3 supersedure cells and the queen, left them for half an hour then put the new queen in.....but I did have her in a cage
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