Interesting?

[Newbeeneil]

Dear Neil, Defra Review of the Veterinary Medicines Regulations 2013 - Public Consultation A period of public consultation on proposed changes to the Veterinary Medicines Regulations 2013 is currently ongoing. This is an opportunity for BFA members, amongst others, to share their views on the proposed changes as they apply in Great Britain. Please see: Review of the Veterinary Medicines Regulations 2013 - Defra - Citizen Space The deadline to respond is 31 March 2023.

 

[Erichalfbee]

It’s 80 pages.
Any of it apply to us?

 

[Newbeeneil]

It’s 80 pages.
Any of it apply to us?

I’ve not read it yet (too busy in the workshop)!I and was hoping someone would disseminate it for me.
Maybe this is a time to reconsider the use of generic OA?

 

[Erichalfbee]

Or stock up

 

[Amari]

I've done a rapid scroll through 69 pages of the main document. I can't see any mention of bees or varroa treatments, the closest it gets is "Exemptions for small pet animals". It's a 'rules and regulations' document rather than mentioning specific medications. Maybe the BBKA will draw our attention to anything relevant..........

 

[jenkinsbrynmair]

Maybe the BBKA will draw our attention to anything relevant..........

probably demand the total outlawing of OA
And recommend mandatory annual whole apiary shook swarming

 

[Wilco]

It’s 80 pages.
Any of it apply to us?

More relevant to you (less so given you're retired) and I if you've heard anything about the Under Care/Out Of Hours debate.

 

[Newbeeneil]

Yes, now I've quickly scanned it it's all about approving or otherwise the proposals they are making. They are not actually asking for opinions.

 

[Jimmy]

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[Erichalfbee]

More relevant to you (less so given you're retired) and I if you've heard anything about the Under Care/Out Of Hours debate.

I haven't. Is it becoming less "careful"?
Slightly at a tangent....When I first opened my practice the only person who could own a veterinary practice was an MRCVS

 

[Amari]

I haven't. Is it becoming less "careful"?
Slightly at a tangent....When I first opened my practice the only person who could own a veterinary practice was an MRCVS

........likewise many (medical) general practices - owned by hedge funds etc..........

 

[pargyle]

........likewise many (medical) general practices - owned by hedge funds etc..........

A friend of mine, many years ago, sold his IT business and with some of the proceeds of the sale bought a Dentist practice ... I asked him how he felt about not being a dentist and owning/running a dental practice. His reply .... "I don't need to be a mechanic to manage a garage .... why should I need to be a dentist to manage a dental practice - I'm good at managing and every business needs a good manager". He said the salary he took from his investment was better than the interest banks were offering and as he said ... "people will always need dentists and undertakers" - and he didn't fancy the latter.

He paid well, had, good, up to date equipment and good dentists working for him, nice modern premises ... did both NHS and private work (I know because some of my dental work was done there). You can't knock the logic really ... perhaps that's what some parts of our NHS need .... people managing it who are good at managing ?

 

[Erichalfbee]

people managing it who are good at managing ?

Maybe but what I can say is that corporate vets charge more around here. When I was working Medivet moved into the area and I picked up lots of new clients who wouldn’t pay for all the “extras” that suddenly materialised. Recently my local group tried to charge me for blood tests and swabs adding £150 to the bill for Bracken’s scratched ear.
The young vet said the structure of pricing was laid down and they had targets to meet.
Sharp practice as far as I’m concerned.

 

[Erichalfbee]

perhaps that's what some parts of our NHS need .... people managing it who are good at managing ?

That’s not a reason for privatisation though is it?

 

[pargyle]

That’s not a reason for privatisation though is it?

NO No No ... not what I was suggesting at all .... but when I look at how the Private sector of health care is run and compare that with the management of the NHS in some places .... there are lessons to learn - and it's not all about funding. I think the practitioners in the NHS are fabulous ... I'm not sure I would apply the same adjective to some of the non-medical management I've come across.

 

[pargyle]

Maybe but what I can say is that corporate vets charge more around here. When I was working Medivet moved into the area and I picked up lots of new clients who wouldn’t pay for all the “extras” that suddenly materialised. Recently my local group tried to charge me for blood tests and swabs adding £150 to the bill for Bracken’s scratched ear.
The young vet said the structure of pricing was laid down and they had targets to meet.
Sharp practice as far as I’m concerned.

Yes .... I think there's a difference there - I'm not talking about the sort of corporate ownership that comes about solely for the profit opportunity from the investment and remote management is never great for any business. The difficuly comes when the Corporately owned organisations dominate the sector and drag the sector up towards their pricing levels. It's certainly happened in our area with Vets ... there is little difference in cost of treatment and drugs between the corporate and private practices. Who can blame independents charging what the market will bear ... it's the same as any retail sitiuation isn't it ? Why selll your honey for less than the market will stand ....

 

[Erichalfbee]

What happened to vocation? I’m getting old. We live in a world where there is a price for everything and a value for nothing.

 

[pargyle]

What happened to vocation? I’m getting old. We live in a world where there is a price for everything and a value for nothing.

Sadly Dani .... I think Vocation is a rarity these days - people may enter a profession because they have a vocation but remuneration also seems to be high on the agenda as well. Highly paid medical people retiring early because they can't put more into their £1million+ pension fund without paying tax on it ? So much for vocation there ...

I too am getting old ... there is a distasteful element that is not just evident in costs - some people seem to be impatient, unforgiving, lacking generosity, mistrusting and in many cases just plain greedy. My view ?- You get out of this life what you put into it. Unfortunately, a lot of the time, these days, what goes around no longer comes around !

 

[Murox]

What happened to vocation? I’m getting old. We live in a world where there is a price for everything and a value for nothing.

is’nt it about core values of the veterinary profession? accountants have a moral obligation to remember things like fairness, trust and so on; and not just tick the expected boxes.

 

[jenkinsbrynmair]

accountants have a moral obligation to remember things like fairness, trust and so on