interesting read

[Goran]

Hi Goran
Thanks for the offer. If you could find out where the 'evidence' is for the claims about lowering blood pressure for instance (that is where on the internet etc. ) then that would be very useful. I'm sure there must be others on this forum that find this interesting as a subject now it has been claimed to be a fact on the web page. I look forward to your answer when you have had time to retrieve the information. Till then
Kind regards dave

Hi,
today I was at the lectures and met same doctor. I asked him about statements with regulation of blood pressure. He said that in his practice has proven this statement true. If someone doesn't believe, let that person try and tell. He is sure that that person will see results. I was asking about literature, he said he works on preparing of book. So I will wait for his book also..
I didn't gave you some new infos.. Sorry..

 

[Finman]

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According EU regulations you must have scientific evidencies about honey, that it reduces blood pressure, before you sell the stuff in that meaning.

And those evidences do not exist.

IT is very dangerous to offer honey as medicine. It is always best to go to doctor. High blood pressure is serious disease, and very often lethal.
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Blood pressure is very complex system. It is connected to kidney hormones, which commands heart's working. Medicine affects 24 hours.

 

[midnight sun]

Hi,
today I was at the lectures and met same doctor. I asked him about statements with regulation of blood pressure. He said that in his practice has proven this statement true. If someone doesn't believe, let that person try and tell. He is sure that that person will see results. I was asking about literature, he said he works on preparing of book. So I will wait for his book also..
I didn't gave you some new infos.. Sorry..

Hi Goran
First, thanks for asking the Dr. for his proof of findings that he claims to have. Having just read Finmans post (the one after yours) I agree with him that to claim something and to be able to prove something is not the same thing.
As he said in his own words, he is about to write a book. But again this is not scientific proof of his claim. I am sure now you have investigated these claims on our behalf, you will agree with us that as yet there is no proof that honey lowers blood pressure or 'cures' internal endocrine imbalances. I would be interested in your opinion of the subject though.
Thanks again Goran
Regards Dave

 

[Finman]

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What we need here is common sense opinions.

Medical doctors have been educated 7-10 years. Then arrives a beekeeper with his honey spoon.

It seems that Goran does not know what means high blood pressure.

 

[bpmurray]

Hi,
today I was at the lectures and met same doctor. I asked him about statements with regulation of blood pressure. He said that in his practice has proven this statement true. If someone doesn't believe, let that person try and tell. He is sure that that person will see results. I was asking about literature, he said he works on preparing of book. So I will wait for his book also..
I didn't gave you some new infos.. Sorry..

Anecdotes don't constitute evidence. When there is peer-reviewed research to support the claims, involving double-blind experiments, that's when you can make a claim about the health-giving effects of honey, but not before.

 

[Goran]

Would be appropriate to post here links toward scientific researches about honey and other bee products? Or it is useless..

 

[jenkinsbrynmair]

Would be appropriate to post here links toward scientific researches about honey and other bee products? Or it is useless..

I don't see why not

 

[Goran]

If we don't try we won't know.. Or maybe the loudest has the right..honey is just inverted sugar solution.

Effect of honey on the common cold
http://www.mayoclinic.org/diseases-conditions/common-cold/expert-answers/honey/faq-20058031

Effect of honey on nocturnal cough and sleep quality: a double blind, randomized, placebo-controlled study
http://pediatrics.aappublications.org/content/early/2012/08/01/peds.2011-3075

Effect of honey, dextromethorphan, and no treatment and no treatment on nocturnal cough and sleep
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/18056558

Effect of mutiple honey doses on non-specific acute cough in children
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/25201759

Honey for accute cough in children
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/22419319

Honey as a topical treatment for wounds
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/18843679

Treatment of chronically infected open mastoid cavities with medical honey: a randomized controlled trial
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/25730446

Nephroprotective effect of bee honey and royal jelly against subchronic cisplatin toxicity in rats
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/25720368

Anti-influenza viral effects of honey in vitro: potent high activity of manuka honey
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/24880005

In vitro Evaluation of Synergistic Inhibitory Effects of Neuraminidase Inhibitors and Methylglyoxal Against Influenza Virus Infection
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/25523147

 

[midnight sun]

You've been busy Goran!
An interesting subject I think you'll agree. My quick look revealed a whole plethora of food stuffs that lower blood pressure or have some other benificial effect on health. It seems to be comming down to just eating a 'healthy' diet of natural foods rather down to purely honey as the great healer.
Don't know what you think. (We can get blinded by our products as beekeepers though)

By the way the neuraminidase (http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/25523147) in venom is being used in reserch into HIV virus as it breaks down the protein shell of the virus. Not as a cure for HIV as yet but they were looking into (year 2014) it as a preventative douche used in contraceptives. Not followed it up myself since reading the first paper.
Regards Dave

 

[Goran]

You've been busy Goran!
An interesting subject I think you'll agree. My quick look revealed a whole plethora of food stuffs that lower blood pressure or have some other benificial effect on health. It seems to be comming down to just eating a 'healthy' diet of natural foods rather down to purely honey as the great healer.
Don't know what you think. (We can get blinded by our products as beekeepers though)

I would say honey is as same as food and cure. But first we should use it as everyday food, then when needed is specific ways as remedy. I am laic in apitherapy, but I firmly believe in the "power of honey and other bee products". At least due to respect of my ancestors and traditional place of honey in society.

 

[midnight sun]

I would say honey is as same as food and cure. But first we should use it as everyday food, then when needed is specific ways as remedy. I am laic in apitherapy, but I firmly believe in the "power of honey and other bee products". At least due to respect of my ancestors and traditional place of honey in society.

Hi Goran
Happy to go along with that. I resepct your position on this and your beliefs.
Kind Regards Dave

 

[Goran]

Royal jelly: component efficiency, analysis, and standardisation
http://hrcak.srce.hr/index.php?show=clanak&id_clanak_jezik=158594

Jelleines: A Family of Antimcrobial peptides from Royal Jelly of Honeybees ( Apis Mellifera)
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/15203237

Honey glycoproteins containing antimicrobial peptides, Jelleins of the Major Royal Jelly Protein 1, are responsible for the cell wall lytic and bactericidal activities of honey
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/25830314

Mechanism of Action of Recombinant Acc-Royalisin from Royal Jelly of Asian Honeybee against Gram-Positive Bacteria
http://journals.plos.org/plosone/article?id=10.1371/journal.pone.0047194

 

[Goran]

Hi Goran
Happy to go along with that. I resepct your position on this and your beliefs.
Kind Regards Dave

Thanks Dave.
I found one quote:
" Heroism is virtue with which we defend ourselves from evil of others, and with humanity a man defend others from evil inside him."

Kind regards,
Goran.

 

[Goran]

Honey - A Novel Antidiabetic Agent
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC3399220/

Effects of natural honey consumption in diabetic patients: an 8-week randomized clinical trial
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/19817641

Effect of honey in diabetes mellitus: matters arising
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC3909917/

The glycemic and peak incremental indices of honey, sucrose and glucose in patients with type 1 diabetes mellitus: effects on C-peptide level-a pilot study
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/19941014

Fructose might contribute to the hypoglycemic effect of honey
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/22337138

 

[Goran]

Some about bee venom

Three Valuable Peptides from Bee and Wasp Venoms for Therapeutic and Biotechnological Use: Melittin, Apamin and Mastoparan
http://www.mdpi.com/2072-6651/7/4/1126

Bee Venom: Composition, Health, Medicine: A Review
http://www.bee-hexagon.net/files/file/fileE/Health/VenomBookReview.pdf

Molecularly targeted nanocarriers deliver the cytolytic peptide melittin specifically to tumor cells in mice, reducing tumor growth
http://www.jci.org/articles/view/38842

Cytolytic nanoparticles attenuate HIV-1 infectivity
http://www.intmedpress.com/serveFile.cfm?sUID=811daec8-c7e5-44af-b78d-3cb9a9249fe6

 

[midnight sun]

Some about bee venom

Three Valuable Peptides from Bee and Wasp Venoms for Therapeutic and Biotechnological Use: Melittin, Apamin and Mastoparan
http://www.mdpi.com/2072-6651/7/4/1126

Bee Venom: Composition, Health, Medicine: A Review
http://www.bee-hexagon.net/files/file/fileE/Health/VenomBookReview.pdf

Molecularly targeted nanocarriers deliver the cytolytic peptide melittin specifically to tumor cells in mice, reducing tumor growth
http://www.jci.org/articles/view/38842

Cytolytic nanoparticles attenuate HIV-1 infectivity
http://www.intmedpress.com/serveFile.cfm?sUID=811daec8-c7e5-44af-b78d-3cb9a9249fe6

Thanks for the references Goran. For me I think that is enough to be going on with for now.....some of us aren't as young as you Goran and we may not have enough time left to read all that you supply.
Thanks for the PM
Kind Regards Dave

 

[Goran]

Does Propolis Help to Maintain Oral Health?
http://www.hindawi.com/journals/ecam/2013/351062/

The influence of a novel propolis on mutans streptococci biofilms and caries development in rats
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/16054589

A morphometric and histopathologic evaluation of the effects of propolis on alveolar bone loss in experimental periodontitis in rats
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/18533788

Effects of propolis on dental caries in rats
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/1836157

The effect of Breezy candy on halitosis: a double-blind, controlled, and randomized study
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/22532945

One " recipe": in one dcl of water 10 drops of alcoholic tincture of propolis - as mouth wash against caries and periodontitis

 

[rook66]

[ame="http://www.amazon.com/Two-Million-Blossoms-Discovering-Medicinal/dp/0972349219"]Two Million Blossoms: Discovering the Medicinal Benefits of Honey: Kirsten S Traynor: 9780972349215: Amazon.com: Books[/ame]
Anyone read this book ?

 

[bpmurray]

Thanks for the references. Those from nih.gov are good, but some of the others are of questionable value. For example, they refer to treatments on mice or shellfish which does not at all mean that the effect is the same in humans, and their references are to poorer quality sources. There are definitely areas where bee products help, but many of the claims are quite unfounded. The quality publications show the antibacterial qualities and the positive effect on type 1 diabetes, but very little else.

 

[midnight sun]

Thanks for the references. Those from nih.gov are good, but some of the others are of questionable value. For example, they refer to treatments on mice or shellfish which does not at all mean that the effect is the same in humans, and their references are to poorer quality sources. There are definitely areas where bee products help, but many of the claims are quite unfounded. The quality publications show the antibacterial qualities and the positive effect on type 1 diabetes, but very little else.

Good point made, bpmurry.Aspartame....tested on apes. Apes have MUCH higher tolerance for the constituents than humans...but still got passed! Just my little moan folks!