Insulation in hives

[REDWOOD]

No good trying to keep Jack in a box either


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[user 6228]

When somebody over winter bees, she or he does not need to know those terms.

I wonder what heat capacity has to do with wintering?

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I will let you work that one out for a bit...

 

[Apiarisnt]

Schroedinger wil tell you - no good comes of putting cats in boxes

How do you know?

 

[Swarm]

Just interested how many tree nests were studied?

 

[REDWOOD]

When somebody over winter bees, she or he does not need to know those terms.

I wonder what heat capacity has to do with wintering?

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The amount of energy it takes to raise the temperature by one degree, the less insulated a hive has the more stores are going to be transferred into heat and could lead to isolation starvation.

 

[Finman]

The amount of energy it takes to raise the temperature by one degree, the less insulated a hive has the more stores are going to be transferred into heat and could lead to isolation starvation.

Wrong explanation.
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[Finman]

I will let you work that one out for a bit...

I looked already from Wikipedia. Do not bother.
And now I ask again, what it has to do with wintering.

 

[Finman]

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Often guys explain that winter sun heats the hive. That is why they use black wrappings.

But we have often a winter that sun does not shine during 3 months.
And shining angle is so low that it does not heat surfaces.

One beekeeper insulated only north side of the hive, because cold comes from North.

 

[ugcheleuce]

Even if you can assert honeybees utilise holes in rocks you still need to account for how well they do in trees.

I don't deny that honeybees do best in trees, but that does not mean that bees were made for trees. Any animal will thrive in a better nesting environment. A tree is the best environment for bees.

That does not mean, as is commonly believed, that "trees are the natural nesting environment of bees".

 

[user 6228]

I don't deny that honeybees do best in trees, but that does not mean that bees were made for trees. Any animal will thrive in a better nesting environment. A tree is the best environment for bees.

That does not mean, as is commonly believed, that "trees are the natural nesting environment of bees".

It's probably very accurate for mellifera melifera and mellifera iberenisis In itheir natural ranges. You will note another Californian study mentioned above that had only a small minority in rock crevices and that was only where there was a scarcity of trees. So I see your study and raise you another...

Further, you will have to note that on Santa Cruz your study was done while they trying to eradicate Apis mellifera .i.e. Stressed. Also this population on Santa Cruz was isolated and could have diverged in habits from the larger gene pool.(island effect IRC). Therefore I argue that this study is not valid or sufficient as grounds to invalidate "trees as the natural abode of northern strains of APIs mellifera"

 

[Itchy]

There's a lot of competition for holes in trees from other creatures around here!

 

[Finman]

I don't deny that honeybees do best in trees, but that does not mean that bees were made for trees. Any animal will thrive in a better nesting environment. A tree is the best environment for bees.

That does not mean, as is commonly believed, that "trees are the natural nesting environment of bees".

Polystyrene box is the best nesting environment. It is easy to move to better pastures. Mite control is easier. Spring build up is good. You can add supers on it and boxes does not cost much.

Any animal will NOT thrive. if you look the thing from the view of ecology.

First you have 100 colonies. Each hive makes 2 swarm.
Next autum you have 300 colonies.

After 5 years you have 24 000 colonies

After 10 years 6 million.

In nature in real situation the population will remain about same and dead rate is huge.


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[Finman]

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Natural nest of human being

Look the insulation in Australia

 

[Anduril]

Natural human nest South Finland
http://naturalhomes.org/treeoflife.htm

 

[Finman]

Natural human nest South Finland
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Honey bee nests in Michigan USA

 

[ugcheleuce]

So I see your study and raise you another...

Unfortunately I have not been able to find any study that actually attempts to either prove or disprove that "trees are the natural home of honey bees". For most studies, it is not really a relevant question. And many beekeepers who want to "return to nature" (and come up with innovative hive designs, etc) simply assume it.

I simply assume (yes, I also assume) that the behaviour of feral bees is likely to be the best indication of what would be "natural" for bees.

In addition ... the honey bee was introduced into the USA by European settlers in the early 1600's - so the colonies were already managed - perhaps they were already more used to living in structures other than hollow trees...

Yes, European black bees were introduced in successive waves, starting from 1622 and 1638, from England. The ship manifests say "bee hives" but those would be skeps. So it's not unlikely that the first honey bees in the USA came from stock that had been selected for several centuries on skep housing.

 

[Finman]

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If you look early pictures about beehives, there were hollow tree trunks. They were lifted to tree branches that bears cannot get them. Yeah. It was good place to them.

But what those happenings have to do recent beekeeping.

When i started beekeeping, hives were one brood box + super. The annual yield was 15 kg honey + two swarms. Many sold those swarms.

The hive space was 60 litres.

Modern queens need 250 litre hive.

What bees like? I do not know but they love to sting me.
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[ugcheleuce]

If you look early pictures about beehives, there were hollow tree trunks. They were lifted to tree branches that bears cannot get them.

A good book on the topic of "early hives" is Gene Kritsky's "The Quest for the Perfect Hive", of which free PDFs do float about on the web.

 

[jenkinsbrynmair]

Dear lord - what crime did they commit to be made to live in a place like that?

 

[Finman]

Dear lord - what crime did they commit to be made to live in a place like that?

Better than tree trunk hole.

But I looked from google pictures " wales flats for sale" . Nothing that style what we have in Finland.