Identifying commercial beeks

[Motobiman]

Would it not be conducive to the general ambience of this forum if the commercial beeks that are primarily driven by honey yields could identify that fact in their signature, as many beeks don't care a less about honey yield?

 

[Erichalfbee]

No I don't think so. Would you not seek and take advice from any beekeeper with more experience than you no matter what their provenance.
Wisdom is wisdom no matter whose shoulders it sits on

 

[For want of a better word]

Would it not be conducive to the general ambience of this forum if the commercial beeks that are primarily driven by honey yields could identify that fact in their signature, as many beeks don't care a less about honey yield?

Not all commercial beekeepers are concerned with just honey.
I know of at least one who has diversified into propolis production, and honey has become a little sweetener to allay his losses!

Yeghes da

 

[Anduril]

Not all commercial beeks rely on honey yield, to some it is secondary as they make more money selling Queens and nucs of bees. Some of them identify themselves with how many hives they have, others their pseudonyms

 

[Motobiman]

No I don't think so. Would you not seek and take advice from any beekeeper with more experience than you no matter what their provenance.
Wisdom is wisdom no matter whose shoulders it sits on

The main issue for this beginner has been filtering the plethora of advice (not wisdom, that's something altogether different).

The needs and drivers of the hobby and commercial beek are clearly very different and applying what works in one sphere could be catastrophic in another.

If we at least knew what drives the giver of advice we could filter out the noise and noisy.

 

[Motobiman]

Not all commercial beeks rely on honey yield, to some it is secondary as they make more money selling Queens and nucs of bees. Some of them identify themselves with how many hives they have, others their pseudonyms

Agreed and if we knew what drives the poster in his/her beekeeping the beginner could effectively filter the advice given.

For example many beeks at our teaching apiary are very reluctant to squish queens so re-queening is something they will avoid at all costs.

 

[Anduril]

Agreed and if we knew what drives the poster in his/her beekeeping the beginner could effectively filter the advice given.

For example many beeks at our teaching apiary are very reluctant to squish queens so re-queening is something they will avoid at all costs.

For some commercial beeks it's a life choice.

 

[Motobiman]

For some commercial beeks it's a life choice.

Hmmm hadn't thought of that one, must make for an 'interesting' POV on some issues.

 

[mbc]

For some commercial beeks it's a life choice.

Some???

 

[masterBK]

Basically you are asking "Are you a beekeeper or do the bees keep you?"
Once you have more than a handfull of hives then you will most probably be keeping them for some sort of return rather than just fiddling about with them for interest sake.

 

[Anduril]

For example many beeks at our teaching apiary are very reluctant to squish queens so re-queening is something they will avoid at all costs.

Are you a beekeeper who asks questions with different scenarios or a beekeeper who accepts their every word?

 

[B+.]

if we knew what drives the poster in his/her beekeeping the beginner could effectively filter the advice given.

You do have a good point (i.e. the end justifies the means), but, I don't know how this could work in practice. Perhaps the best way is simply to get to know the poster so you can determine what his primary objectives are. Then, think about the answer he gives to see if the point he is makig is valid in your situation.

 

[Anduril]

Some???

Some become commercials on retirement, others to get out of the rat race others it's a family tradition, others it's diversification from their farming. Have I missed one?

 

[Quis Custodiet]

Beginners, novice beekeepers, newcomers are all accurate and descriptive terms. So why do some resort to using the word "beeks", if the individuals concerned are too lazy to refrain from murdering the English language, then the fate of any bees which might come their way, is also unlikely to be very promising.

 

[Anduril]

We could use the term "peeps" instead

 

[mbc]

Some become commercials on retirement, others to get out of the rat race others it's a family tradition, others it's diversification from their farming. Have I missed one?

I did hear of a Slovenian master graftswoman getting kidnapped, but she ended up marrying her kidnapper and continuing grafting for him, so as with the others, all a life choice.
No commercial beekeeper would force their children to follow in the business knowing the hardships and pitfalls involved.

 

[Erichalfbee]

The main issue for this beginner has been filtering the plethora of advice
If we at least knew what drives the giver of advice we could filter out the noise and noisy.

Only experience will enable that filtering I'm afraid.
The willingness to squash queens is not something confined just to commercial beekeepers. We all do it. If you are running brood and a half and are not too fussed about losing the odd swarm tipping the top box for a quick look for swarm cells while ignoring the bottom box works really well; not just for speed either. One commercial keeper on here has been using oxalic to sublimate for years and has probably almost singlehandedly converted many hobbyists here. See where the distinction becomes blurred? There are many other examples.

 

[Motobiman]

Are you a beekeeper who asks questions with different scenarios or a beekeeper who accepts their every word?

Apparently, I'm a bee fiddler. OOOH Matron.

Seriously though, so many times the posts drift off into the same old biased viewpoints from the same posters that the only sensible thing to do is ignore all that advice and go back to the books.

That is a real shame as even Finman occasionally makes sense but digging down that far at my age just makes my back sore.

 

[Motobiman]

You do have a good point (i.e. the end justifies the means), but, I don't know how this could work in practice. Perhaps the best way is simply to get to know the poster so you can determine what his primary objectives are. Then, think about the answer he gives to see if the point he is makig is valid in your situation.

Good point and stick them on your ignore list too.

Good for the soul, forcing yourself not to open those posts.

 

[Motobiman]

Beginners, novice beekeepers, newcomers are all accurate and descriptive terms. So why do some resort to using the word "beeks", if the individuals concerned are too lazy to refrain from murdering the English language, then the fate of any bees which might come their way, is also unlikely to be very promising.

Isn't beeks just a shortened version of beekeepers?