How often can you split a colony?

[ugcheleuce]

The Rose method isn't a world apart from the Warre setup, which has no broodbox or queen excluder, so it should work fine...

The Rose method and the Warre method have practically nothing in common except that both use one size box. The Rose method doesn't preclude a queen excluder -- it's up to you if you want to use a queen excluder. The Rose method is aimed at rapid increase of the brood nest early in the year, but the Warre method contains no mechanism to speed up brood rearing. Both practice "nadiring" of sorts, but in the Warre the nadired box is placed below the current brood nest, whereas in Rose the nadired box is placed in the middle of the current brood nest. Really, the two methods have practically nothing in common.

...but nucs are generally sold on brood sized frames. Though it would be easy enough for them to cope with.

If the nuc is strong, then it shouldn't matter if it's not on brood frames. I suspect beekeepers will want to pay less for them than for nucs on brood frames, though.

 

[Greggorio]

Sorry I meant the Rose setup not method. I have no idea what the aim is with the Rose method. I just meant the setup is the same essentially.

As for the nuc they should be buying a swarm I can put straight into their hive. Though I think you're right but I have no issue selling marginally less. 4-5 frames with swarm and queen is only about 80-90 euros here

 

[Finman]

Experience has taught me that those who shout the loudest, that they know the most, tend to know the least. I'm sure that's not you though but perhaps practice your teaching delivery

I have 53 years experience. I have shown here my balance hive data, how the hive bring 170 kg honey in 6 weeks. Best week was 50 kg. And not only one year. Try to find better. Yeah. You are too smart to learn.

Just to mix your experiences.

You may look data from National vaakapesä Kouvola, Finland vaakapesä map, year 2013. (balance hive net).

 

[Greggorio]

I have 53 years experience. I have shown here my balance hive data, how the hive bring 170 kg honey in 6 weeks. Try to find better. You are too smart to learn.

Just to add your experiences.

Well I can safely say that all your years of experience have not made you a very good teacher.
I'm not too smart to learn, I want to learn, I crave it. I just wont be spoken to like a child, it's frankly pathetic.

Thankfully you are the first rude person I've encountered on this forum

 

[Finman]

The Rose method and the Warre method have practically nothing in common except that both use one size box. The Rose method doesn't preclude a queen excluder -- it's up to you if you want to use a queen excluder. .

Here very experiencd professionals and small keepers keep hives without excluder to midd summer, and put excluders into hives in July when fat laying is not needed any more.

 

[Finman]

Well I can safely say that all your years of experience have not made you a very good teacher.
I'm not too smart to learn, I want to learn, I crave it. I just wont be spoken to like a child, it's frankly pathetic.

Thankfully you are the first rude person I've encountered on this forum

I have education of biology teacher.

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[ugcheleuce]

Sorry I meant the Rose setup, not method. I have no idea what the aim is with the Rose method. I just meant the setup is the same essentially.

Okay. But if your aim is to sell nucs, the I think you should adapt your beekeeping method to that which the market will most likely accept. And that means French Dadant, right?

Though I think you're right but I have no issue selling marginally less. 4-5 frames with swarm and queen is only about 80-90 euros here.

Yikes, here in NL, 6-frame nucs (without the box) sell for EUR 50-60 in spring.

 

[Greggorio]

Okay. But if your aim is to sell nucs, the I think you should adapt your beekeeping method to that which the market will most likely accept. And that means French Dadant, right?

Oh yeah definitely Dadant for selling nucs.

Yikes, here in NL, 6-frame nucs (without the box) sell for EUR 50-60 in spring.

Haha I can get a swarm without frames for 60 euros. It's what i paid in fact. I dropped my hives off and when one of his hives swarmed he plonked them in my hive.

Have you seen the prices in the UK though. With the current exchange rate they're insane! Not to mention the cost of a hive. You have to be loaded to get into bees over there

 

[Finman]

Oh yeah definitely Dadant for selling nucs.



Haha I can get a swarm without frames for 60 euros. It's what i paid in fact. I dropped my hives off and when one of his hives swarmed he plonked them in my hive.

Have you seen the prices in the UK though. With the current exchange rate they're insane! Not to mention the cost of a hive. You have to be loaded to get into bees over there

Sell to Finland. 300 euros in spring, without VAT. 100 hives 300 000 €.
400 hives in truck. It is 1.2 million and you will be rich.

And mention: Reared with Rose method!

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[TryingToLetThemBee]

Thankfully you are the first rude person I've encountered on this forum

Give it time.

 

[TryingToLetThemBee]

Sell to Finland. 300 euros in spring, without VAT. 100 hives 300 000 €.
400 hives in truck. It is 1.2 million and you will be rich.

And mention: Reared with Rose method!

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Finski I love you like a brother, but 300×100=30,000 and 400 is 120,000. Rich, but not RICH.

 

[Greggorio]

Give it time.

lol I was shocked it took this long to be honest. I thought that was a good sign but perhaps not

 

[Finman]

Finski I love you like a brother, but 300×100=30,000 and 400 is 120,000. Rich, but not RICH.

Oh dear... Like in lotto. One number wrong...

 

[sipa]

Yyou don't need to feed this stuff

http://www.apimondia.com/apiacta/slovenia/en/yeganehrad.pdf

I wouldn't feed Caspian solution to my bees, ever.

You can achieve 10:1 increase without feeding that crap.

 

[Greggorio]

I wouldn't feed Caspian solution to my bees, ever.

You can achieve 10:1 increase without feeding that crap.

Why?

 

[jenkinsbrynmair]

Why?

Caspian Solution Improves:

Queen production
Queen cell production
Queen introduction 12 months per year
Drone production
Queen mating
Increasing brood production and worker jelly production.
Royal jelly production
Combining populations of bees 12 months per year
5.0 Bacterial and metabolism disease control including; AFB, EFB, bacillus cereus, protozoa, nosema apis, nosema ceranae and other amoeba
Genetic selection
Larvae method for genetic selection
Queen cell method for genetic selection

Snake oil by the looks of it - probably also cures diabetes haemorrhoids, strangles and impotence

Probably some people daft enough to buy it!

 

[Greggorio]

Snake oil by the looks of it - probably also cures diabetes haemorrhoids, strangles and impotence

Probably some people daft enough to buy it!

only snake oil if it's got nothing beneficial in it. I'm not saying you're wrong, I just question everything. It's my way

Though I fail to see why the bees can't do it themselves or you can't help them out just by feeding them some pollen

 

[sipa]

This guy has failed to penetrate his domestic market and has been trying to sell Caspian solution into the US market for some time, without success.

The reason often quoted is a serious risk of disease transmission carried by some of the components.

 

[Finman]

You can achieve 10:1 increase without feeding that crap.

Everybody should use such method which give 10 fold increase.
It means 1000 % increase, what ever it is....
You may get investors with you from Dragon's House.

Who has heard about 1000% increase? I have about living costs. It was inflation of money I Russia 20 years ago.

 

[TryingToLetThemBee]

Everybody should use such method which give 10 fold increase.

It means 1000 % increase, what ever it is....

You may get investors with you from Dragon's House.



Who has heard about 1000% increase? I have about living costs. It was inflation of money I Russia 20 years ago.

What's the practical limit?