Honeybee colonies down 53%

[Finman]

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Feral bees are escaped swarms. Their genepool is the same as surrounding nursed bees.

 

[mbc]

I just find it hard to believe that if the whole feral bee decline is being taken seriously by the government, that they haven't got a group of top quality beekeepers, breeders and geneticists on the case as a funded project.

Indeed, it is hard to believe, makes you wonder what the point of the NBU is ?

 

[REDWOOD]

Perhaps the decline of feral honeybee colonies is because people keep catching them and putting them in hives.

Probably pesticides, herbicides and deforestation

 

[Dishmop]

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Feral bees are escaped swarms. Their genepool is the same as surrounding nursed bees.

Rather a chicken or egg thing........

 

[mbc]

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Feral bees are escaped swarms. Their genepool is the same as surrounding nursed bees.

Maybe in Finland, but it would be nice to believe that there's some vestige of the genes of the first bees to colonize after the last ice age still in the gene pool in the British isles

 

[Finman]

Maybe in Finland, but it would be nice to believe that there's some vestige of the genes of the first bees to colonize after the last ice age still in the gene pool in the British isles

Varroa killed 90% out of feral bees in British Isles. They are your own reports.
Varroa has made same thing in every country.

"nice to believe"

And you bees do not come from Ice Ace.

Never mind. YOu just believe you ice ace bees. Garry on!

What I know on your isle the most popular bee race is Italian and second is Carniolan.


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[mbc]

Varroa killed 90% out of feral bees in British Isles. They are your own reports.
Varroa has made same thing in every country.

"nice to believe"

And you bees do not come from Ice Ace.

Never mind. YOu just believe you ice ace bees. Garry on!

What I know on your isle the most popular bee race is Italian and second is Carniolan.
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The point about the ferals was that we had wild bees before managed bees but I'm not going to argue about that as its a bit pointless, especially when you consider the definition of feral.
The bit you added about the carnies and Italians ?! How do you know that ?

 

[REDWOOD]

There are still some native Welshmen in remote parts of Wales so I cant see why there won't be any native/feral bees left either

 

[mbc]

There are still some native Welshmen in remote parts of Wales so I cant see why there won't be any native/feral bees left either

I expect they all have a bit of Irish/Roman/Saxon/Scandinavian or Norman in there somewhere if you looked hard enough, does that make them 'not' native though ?

 

[REDWOOD]

I expect they all have a bit of Irish/Roman/Saxon/Scandinavian or Norman in there somewhere if you looked hard enough, does that make them 'not' native though ?

More like Viking but who's perfect

 

[tonybloke]

Rather a chicken or egg thing........

http://www.beekeepingforum.co.uk/attachment.php?attachmentid=7665&stc=1&d=1355787255

 

[jenkinsbrynmair]

There are still some native Welshmen in remote parts of Wales so I cant see why there won't be any native/feral bees left either

and there's plenty of feral Welshmen - as well as the odd feral beekeeper

 

[Finman]

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Welsh people could be most ancient in UK, DNA suggests
BBC ^ | Tuesday, June 19, 2012 | unattributed

Posted on 21. kesäkuuta 2012 3:01:13 by SunkenCiv

Professor Peter Donnelly, of Oxford University, said the Welsh carry DNA which could be traced back to the last Ice Age, 10,000 years ago.


(What I have read about nations origins, they all are uniguea and extraordinary. They speak in Indonesia 600 different languages and in Russia 120, and all are unique.

 

[lebouche]

Wild colonies are very rare compared to in the past, a perfectly normal response to the ravages of uncontrolled varroa.

How do they measure wild colonies? Must be difficult to be accurate.
I was under the impression that varroa was less of a problem with natural cell size? I suppose that is still disputed somewhat.

 

[Finman]

How do they measure wild colonies? Must be difficult to be accurate.
I was under the impression that varroa was less of a problem with natural cell size? I suppose that is still disputed somewhat.

It is so simple that varroa kills untreted colonies. It is no difference is the colony in tree trunk or on backyard, varroa kills it.

Natural cells do protect hives. Neither small cells.

No one has reported that there are varroa resistant bee stocks in Britain.

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[Skyhook]

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Welsh people could be most ancient in UK, DNA suggests
BBC ^ | Tuesday, June 19, 2012 | unattributed

Posted on 21. kesäkuuta 2012 3:01:13 by SunkenCiv

Professor Peter Donnelly, of Oxford University, said the Welsh carry DNA which could be traced back to the last Ice Age, 10,000 years ago.


(What I have read about nations origins, they all are uniguea and extraordinary. They speak in Indonesia 600 different languages and in Russia 120, and all are unique.

The welsh and the cornish are the last of the Britons, after we (the anglo-saxons) drove them out of England.




Sorry about that.

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[tonybloke]

It is so simple that varroa kills untreted colonies. It is no difference is the colony in tree trunk or on backyard, varroa kills it.

Natural cells do protect hives. Neither small cells.

No one has reported that there are varroa resistant bee stocks in Britain.

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just because no one has reported them, it doesn't mean they don't exist

 

[user 6228]

The welsh and the cornish are the last of the Britons, after we (the anglo-saxons) drove them out of England.




Sorry about that.

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thats not the latest on that ... Apparently it was more of Britons taking up the Anglosaxon fashions and intermarrying, than pillage and conquest. Similarly with the Vikings

Derek of the village formerly named Cēnwulfes lēah (Anglosaxon) with nearby Viking Kirkby

 

[mbc]

thats not the latest on that ... Apparently it was more of Britons taking up the Anglosaxon fashions and intermarrying, than pillage and conquest. Similarly with the Vikings

Derek of the village formerly named Cēnwulfes lēah (Anglosaxon) with nearby Viking Kirkby

The religion of the rulers played a big part. There is a sixth century poem (in cymraeg ) describing a congregation having to keep uprooting and moving west so as to be able to worship out of earshot of the heathen who spoke like barking dogs ( saxons )

 

[Finman]

just because no one has reported them, it doesn't mean they don't exist

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