Have you lost any colonies to pesticides in the last 3 years?

[Stromnessbees]

everything in good measure

Natural solution,acid rain... fire and brimstone.

Remember those icelandic volcanos spewing out sulphur all over europe,wonder how that may of affected the bees.

The resulting exposure of the population to increased volcanic air pollution could potentially cause around 140,000 premature deaths within a year ...

This is going off topic, but if a moderator is involved I won't complain.

You are obviously trying to undermine my credibility by finding fault with anything I say.

But my statement is well founded:
Soil biology was one of my favorite subjects at Innsbruck University, and I have learned a lot more about it in my 15 years as organic farmer.

If you don't understand the chemistry and haven't got the practical experience you could read Jarred Diamond's analysis, where he clearly establishes, that depleted soils can cause civilizations to fail, and that occasional volcanic eruptions and the re-mineralization of the soil from the resulting fallout can be vitally important in areas with depleted soils.

You could also look at the labels on bags of fertilizer, the better ones now have a sulfur component, but it's best to send your soil for analysis before you put on too much of anything.

That doesn't mean that it's healthy to be exposed to fallout or to spend much time in sulfuric fumes, nor does it justify industrial pollution. But a single sulphur candle won't bring about the end of all days.

 

[BKF Admin]

Stomness I will send you a link for the SBKA.
I am sure they miss you...

 

[Stromnessbees]

Why all the secrecy about IDs?

Originally Posted by Stromnessbees
Of course Gavin Ramsay ... works 'for the industry' i.e. the XXXXXX.

(my edit)

Originally Posted by Black Comb

Did you ask Gavin's permission before posting some of his personal details on here?

Originally Posted by gavin
You'll not be surprised to learn that I don't agree with that.

In that case I've taken the step of reporting the earlier post to ask for your work details to be removed.

I have no problem with identifying myself on any forum.

Gavin himself seems happy to identify other posters as well:

Murray McG on the Beekeeping Forum the other day was mentioning the best estimates of Giles Budge of the NBU showing that since the 1980s honeybee numbers are up maybe 20%...

- from SBAi, obviously relating to this post:

Had Giles Budge as one of the feature speakers at our spring meeting, and the concensus is, though no-one knows anywhere near exactly, is that in the last 20 years the number of colonies in the UK has risen, by about 20,000 to 50,000 units...

Anyway, there are not that many beekeepers in Scotland with more than 2000 hives, so Murray McG doesn't seem to try to stay anonymous too desperately.


It's simple:
If you have nothing to hide then you have nothing to fear.

 

[BKF Admin]

 

[Stromnessbees]

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all we are saying is give bee's a chance.

And maybe a little hint for you as well, in order to keep up good forum spelling:


This should read '... give bees a chance'.

- good job I learned English as a foreign language.

 

[mbc]

I have no problem with identifying myself on any forum.

Gavin himself seems happy to identify other posters as well:
- from SBAi, obviously relating to this post:


Anyway, there are not that many beekeepers in Scotland with more than 2000 hives, so Murray McG doesn't seem to try to stay anonymous too desperately.


It's simple:
If you have nothing to hide then you have nothing to fear.

Its incredibly bad form to "out" people on public forums without their express permission.
Some threads take on a conversational style and first names can accidentally creep in, but to deliberately name someone and even reveal their place of work without their say so is considered very rude on each and every one of the fora I belong to.

 

[Stromnessbees]

Censorship

Stomness I will send you a link for the SBKA.
I am sure they miss you...

Thank you, but I think I'll stay here for a while, it's no fun posting on the SBAi forum with their new censorship rules.

As I have stated before, I am for freedom of speech, and that does include the internet.

 

[Stromnessbees]

Why hide

Its incredibly bad form to "out" people on public forums without their express permission.
Some threads take on a conversational style and first names can accidentally creep in, but to deliberately name someone and even reveal their place of work without their say so is considered very rude on each and every one of the fora I belong to.

The beekeeping community is very small and with few prominent personalities that are happy to go on the internet it's silly to try to stay anonymous.

Gavin for example has never made it a secret that his job is with crop science, and in his case it would actually be a good idea to declare who he works for, or else people might suspect much worse companies that he could be employed by.

 

[mbc]

Just seen we have a "Definitely - confirmed by analysis" on the poll.
Anybody want to fess up and give us the details ?

Bump.
Someone has a first hand account of a recent colony death caused by pesticides, confirmed by analysis, and I for one am very interested in hearing the details, what pesticide, what crop and when ? Please.

 

[Chris Luck]

Its incredibly bad form to "out" people on public forums without their express permission.

That seems a very strange notion to me. I've never understood this need to hide from others who you are, what you do, where you live and so on, all seems a bit childish to me on a bee keeping forum.

Hey ho, all part of the way we live now I suppose, invented virtual lives perhaps in some cases?

Chris

 

[george]

Silly or not it is the right of the individual to maintain his/her anonymity .

Please re read your post at 1.46pm . The reason you are able to post here is because of censorship on the other forum . Dont make the same mistake here , your writings are interesting but stick to bees and related items .

G(not my real name) !

 

[mbc]

The beekeeping community is very small and with few prominent personalities that are happy to go on the internet it's silly to try to stay anonymous.

Gavin for example has never made it a secret that his job is with crop science, and in his case it would actually be a good idea to declare who he works for, or else people might suspect much worse companies that he could be employed by.

Nevertheless, its not for you to decide.
Some people use their real names as user names, reveal themselves to online fora, or their identity is common knowledge, but personal details should remain personal if a forum user so desires, some (like myself) have a nagging phobia about having too much of their details all over the net.
Many on here and other fora know me personally and the user name I post under, but I would feel it a major breach of etiquette if they revealed the details to the online world.

 

[Hivemaker.]

Bump.
Someone has a first hand account of a recent colony death caused by pesticides, confirmed by analysis, and I for one am very interested in hearing the details, what pesticide, what crop and when ? Please.

Same here....

 

[BKF Admin]

And maybe a little hint for you as well, in order to keep up good forum spelling:


This should read '... give bees a chance'.

- good job I learned English as a foreign language.

We have many dyslexic users on the forum.

Picking on a members spelling is half way to Godwin's law.

I have an adage that if I get "x" number of pm's regards a single members posts I then ban them as It takes up to much forum admin time.

Some members are well on the way....

 

[Chris Luck]

I have an adage that if I get "x" number of pm's regards a single members posts I then ban them as It takes up to much forum admin time.

What an interesting approach - Grey squirrel syndrome again?

Chris

 

[Hivemaker.]

Grey squirrel syndrome again?
Chris

Too much time spent sorting through the nuts.

 

[Chris Luck]

I seem to remember being told this was a broad church that represented all views, not one where people could be banned by lynch mob or simply because they had different or unusual views about things that affect bees.

It should be remembered that being in a minority of one doesn't necessarily make a person wrong - or nuts.

Chris

 

[Into the lions den]

Anyway, there are not that many beekeepers in Scotland with more than 2000 hives, so Murray McG doesn't seem to try to stay anonymous too desperately.

Never tried to hide. Why would I? If you went back far enough you would find out why I came to this forum in the first place and the handle I use, and have never felt the need to change, was meant to be slightly amusing............could just as easily have been 'kicking the hornets nest', but someone stole that for a rather good book and film....................would call him a plagiarist, a SWEDISH plagiarist at that, except he had the idea first!

I travel and give talks, host visits at base and at bee sites, everyone knows who I am.

That sneaky Gavin Ramsay though, furtive beggar he is. Seriously cunning to take a mysterious handle like that. <G>

 

[Into the lions den]

I seem to remember being told this was a broad church that represented all views, not one where people could be banned by lynch mob or simply because they had different or unusual views about things that affect bees.

It should be remembered that being in a minority of one doesn't necessarily make a person wrong - or nuts.

Chris

Quite so. I especially like the word 'necessarily' in there. Its almost redundant wording. We are beekeepers...........to most people thats already labels us as 'nuts'................and we probably all are.

 

[Cazza]

Do you know what? I care not a fig who is who or whether anyone has an ulterior hidden motive.
All I care about is cogent argument without derision and irrelevant comments.
Shall we get back to the debate and cease the petty squabbling?

Cazza