Fogging

[Hivemaker.]

Note, no need to go to that Temperature

That quote is primarily about e cigarettes .....http://forum.e-liquid-recipes.com/t/guys-i-am-worried/105383/9

 

[wightbees]

Yes but the point was the temp needed to reach dangerous levels, which is not necessary to fog.

And I found it interesting : )

 

[wightbees]

Forgot to say, this was found as a note to another subject on chemical forum about disco fog machine. The mixture being Glycerine and water. The user was looking for health risk. But seeing as it was similar to this subject I thought I'll post it.

Hope that was ok

 

[Finman]

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Acrolein was used in the First World War as battle gas.

I wonder what idea is to use such chemical, which may have possibility to make poison. Why don't you use alcohol or something safe.

 

[Beefriendly]

- Fine Oxalic Acid powder sprinkled into the hive at ambient temperature.

The deposition crystals of Oxalic acid are microscopically small and coat all the surfaces the sublimated vapour comes into contact with. Probably very difficult to grind OA to that size. Although if you could and the bees could spread it around you might be onto a winner.
It's thought that the mode of action of OA in solution is different to that of the vaped crystals. And to complicate things the mode when dissolved in glycerin (as in towels and strips) may be different again.
The important bit is that it kills varroa.

 

[Finman]

Yes but the point was the temp needed to reach dangerous levels, which is not necessary to fog.

And I found it interesting : )

Interesting to poison yourself...

39 ways to make idiots,
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[wightbees]

fog machine, fog generator, or smoke machine is a device that emits a dense vapor that appears similar to fog or smoke. This artificial fog is most commonly used in professional entertainment applications, but smaller, more affordable fog machines are becoming common for personal use. Fog machines can also be found in use in a variety of industrial, training, and some military applications. Typically, fog is created by vaporizing proprietary water and glycol-based or glycerin-based fluids or through the atomization of mineral oil


From. https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fog_machine

 

[Finman]

fog machine, fog generator, or smoke machine is a device that emits a dense vapor that appears similar to fog or smoke. This artificial fog is most commonly used in professional entertainment applications, but smaller, more affordable fog machines are becoming common for personal use. Fog machines can also be found in use in a variety of industrial, training, and some military applications. Typically, fog is created by vaporizing proprietary water and glycol-based or glycerin-based fluids or through the atomization of mineral oil


From. https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fog_machine

Conserving honey...
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[For want of a better word]

Do not FOG you bees with Glycerol.. or mineral oils...... QED

Icing sugar and OA ( can be bought in expensive little packets... just needs more sugar???) dusted over bees seems to knock down Varroa... as does Rhubarb leaf.

Nos da

 

[Finman]

Do not FOG you bees with Glycerol.. or mineral oils...... QED

Icing sugar and OA ( can be bought in expensive little packets... just needs more sugar???) dusted over bees seems to knock down Varroa... as does Rhubarb leaf.

Nos da

Such trickling with reliable 3 years tests

How many percent OA in 100% syrup?

 

[wessexmario]

The deposition crystals of Oxalic acid are microscopically small and coat all the surfaces the sublimated vapour comes into contact with. Probably very difficult to grind OA to that size. Although if you could and the bees could spread it around you might be onto a winner.
It's thought that the mode of action of OA in solution is different to that of the vaped crystals. And to complicate things the mode when dissolved in glycerin (as in towels and strips) may be different again.
The important bit is that it kills varroa.

I have a mortar & pestle, so getting a fine powder won't be difficult for a small quantity, Obviously not as microscopically small as sublimation will produce, but will be smaller than the crystals in a home made dribble solution.
The next time I'll give it a go and see what results I get.

 

[For want of a better word]

I have a mortar & pestle, so getting a fine powder won't be difficult for a small quantity, Obviously not as microscopically small as sublimation will produce, but will be smaller than the crystals in a home made dribble solution.
The next time I'll give it a go and see what results I get.

I think OA goes into solution when mixed with sugar syrup.
Wikipedia says,,,,,,

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Oxalic_acid

Yeghes da

 

[Finman]

What to say? ... I do not find better than "oh dear"

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[john t]

I have a mortar & pestle, so getting a fine powder won't be difficult for a small quantity, Obviously not as microscopically small as sublimation will produce, but will be smaller than the crystals in a home made dribble solution.
The next time I'll give it a go and see what results I get.

i would be cautious about grinding oxalic crystals into a fine powder ,you might inhale then ingest i wouldnt take the risk , best to just vape at least you can see the vape and stand up wind

 

[Finman]

i would be cautious about grinding oxalic crystals into a fine powder ,you might inhale then ingest i wouldnt take the risk , best to just vape at least you can see the vape and stand up wind

Researches tell, that 3% OA water spray violates bees. What about when you pour 100% acid onto bees' neck? You surely kill part of colony with that flour.