first split , need help?

[prana vallabha]

hi......

i did my first split 4 days ago into a 6 frame nuc (3 brood, 2 stores , 1 foundation. went today to check ,all seems to be going okay . There are 2 Q cups fully charged right next to each other . the Question is do i leave both Q cups or do i leave one ........

many thanks in advance

 

[VEG]

I would go with one if they are not sealed.

 

[blackie]

I left 2 on mine and they cast swarmed dont risk it

 

[mbc]

A nuc with only three frames of brood is very unlikely to throw a cast.

 

[thebhoy]

A nuc with only three frames of brood is very unlikely to throw a cast.

don't be too sure about that one....I set up a 3 frame nuc with a few QC's at the 1st Bank holiday in May.....thought the first to hatch would destroy the rest.....not so they all hatched and left a 'small' amount of bees. One QC that was raised / sealed in the nuc was pulled down by a couple of days later...I had left it in case all hatched queens had left.

 

[Finman]

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Nuc will not swarm. But to rear emercengy queens in 3 frame nuc produces worst quality queens.

It is better to buy laying queen than rear this way own queens.

Rearing takes 10 days and again at least 10 days that queens lays,
During that time a laying queen makes one brood cycle and then you have 6 frames bees when own queen just starts to laying.

But if you leave queen cells, leave them all. Some of them will die or queen is violated.

 

[richardbees]

suggest you just leave one.....

 

[jenkinsbrynmair]

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Nuc will not swarm. But to rear emercengy queens in 3 frame nuc produces worst quality queens.

It is better to buy laying queen than rear this way own queens.

Rearing takes 10 days and again at least 10 days that queens lays,
During that time a laying queen makes one brood cycle and then you have 6 frames bees when own queen just starts to laying.

But if you leave queen cells, leave them all. Some of them will die or queen is violated.

I think she is talking about an artificial swarm Finny, not a walk away split.

 

[Finman]

I think she is talking about an artificial swarm Finny, not a walk away split.

OK, I did not noticed that

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[drstitson]

JBM - we don't have enough information to ascertain whether this is a split or a form of AS. Sounds like a split to me with emergency cells.

OP - what is happening in the parent hive????

 

[tomtit]

hi.....One queen may not mate successfully .if the cells are next to each other you may damage both of them when trying to separating.I would let the bees sort things out.(they have been for the last 130 million years)

i did my first split 4 days ago into a 6 frame nuc (3 brood, 2 stores , 1 foundation. went today to check ,all seems to be going okay . There are 2 Q cups fully charged right next to each other . the Question is do i leave both Q cups or do i leave one ........

many thanks in advance[/QUOTE]

 

[jenkinsbrynmair]

JBM - we don't have enough information to ascertain whether this is a split or a form of AS. Sounds like a split to me with emergency cells.

True true -Forgetting Rule 7 (c) of the International regulations for preventing at sea
'Assumptions shall not be made on the basis of scanty information'
Must have been tired!

 

[prana vallabha]

i wrote SPLIT not A.S . I wrote what i did ..... the parent hive is all well but i only have one hive and as it was bursting to the seams i thought i would have a go at making an increase ( my first attempt by the way so any tips would be gratefull) hence the SPLIT ..... by the way i was tired ....lol

 

[Swarm]

If they were swarm cells I'd say leave only one but they are not so I'd leave them to it.