Filipe Salbany- Somerset Beekeepers' Association online event

[user 20297]

Either he has no idea of genetics and how bees mate , or he is pulling your plonker. Because if there are incoming bees, his bees will mate with other drones. Now I assume he knows how bees mate, so he is basically - confusing the issue, waffling and being disingenuous#. If he does not know how bees mate - he is not worth listening to.

# like a certain political leader.

I know of a certain political leader who, by many accounts, seems to know a lot about mating. If he also knows anything about the mating of bees, he's still not worth listening to.

 

[Erichalfbee]

Either he has no idea of genetics and how bees mate , or he is pulling your plonker. Because if there are incoming bees, his bees will mate with other drones. Now I assume he knows how bees mate, so he is basically - confusing the issue, waffling and being disingenuous#. If he does not know how bees mate - he is not worth listening to.

# like a certain political leader.

Well somebody asked him what the effect of the surrounding apiaries would be and he said that wild black bees mate with other black bees so by inference the Blenheim bees would mate with Blenheim drones preferentially

 

[Frizzaldo]

It's a little irresponsible giving this guy a stage but he's not the only speaker on the beekeeping circuit spouting nonsense.

The result of this sort of stuff is more new beekeepers clinging to some part of this misinformation and either spreading it as fact or losing colonies.

I wonder does this tinkering happen in the farming of any other livestock or does the fact we can only control and understand a small part of what bees do leave it open to (sometimes irresponsible) tinkering

 

[North End Bees]

Well somebody asked him what the effect of the surrounding apiaries would be and he said that wild black bees mate with other black bees so by inference the Blenheim bees would mate with Blenheim drones preferentially

Why on earth is he embracing the idea of Blenheim bees only mating with Blenheim bees, and the inevitable inbreeding that would lead to?

Oh well, not to worry because it's not going to happen anyway.

 

[JamezF]

wild black bees mate with other black bees so by inference the Blenheim bees would mate with Blenheim drones preferentially

I just can't see how he could know this. And of course I return to my earlier point that I've seen no published evidence of any black bees at Blenheim. Unless of course he's using some new definition of "black" with which I am unfamiliar that includes bees that are not, in fact, black.

James

 

[madasafish]

I just can't see how he could know this. And of course I return to my earlier point that I've seen no published evidence of any black bees at Blenheim. Unless of course he's using some new definition of "black" with which I am unfamiliar that includes bees that are not, in fact, black.

James

Of course he KNOWS this.
Charlatans know everything about any question raising doubts. They specialise in bamboozling the ignorant and gullible#

# like the same political leader I referred to previously

In my working life I had two experiences of snake oil salesmen who persuaded companies I worked for that they would increase their sales ginormously. They always - but always - had an answer for any doubts raised. They did not have to stop and think - or come back later - they had an answer for everything. Both cost the companies they worked for 7 figure sums - largely as they misrepresented themselves and their products and left a terrible mess (think lawsuits). But that was after they had left employment or been expensively terminated.

 

[Murox]

the one thing he did mention was that he thought the newspaper article had jumped the gun. I believe he may suffer from confirmation bias presently offering opinion based on too little and unexamined/untested evidence. Maybe in the future he will be in a position to publish.

 

[Ian123]

the one thing he did mention was that he thought the newspaper article had jumped the gun. I believe he may suffer from confirmation bias presently offering opinion based on too little and unexamined/untested evidence. Maybe in the future he will be in a position to publish.

I doubt the reporter/paper jumped the gun, I’d suggest he fed the reporter a little to much bs he now can’t justify.

 

[Mint Bee]

using the BBKA swarm collector map, there are 4 collectors registered within 3 Km of Blenheim. There is also one bee farmers registered address within 2 Km of the magic woods, and plenty of OSR on the other side of Blenheim, at least when current google satellite map was captured.
Now I accept that addresses are not absolute proof of beehive location, but they raise a big question about population overlap range.
If one were to add a fictitious apiary at Blenheim on the NBU registration page, and then see how many hives were within 10 km of the Blenheim site, I suspect the value would be significant. And that would be an underestimate as we are all aware not all hives are registered on this database.

Unfortunately, Filipe's presentation did little to address the concerns that many have raised regarding his theories. As mentioned by others he is not a beekeeper, he's a bee observer, with some very simplistic notions that lack data to back them up at this time

 

[Erichalfbee]

If one were to add a fictitious apiary at Blenheim on the NBU registration page, and then see how many hives were within 10 km of the Blenheim site, I suspect the value would be significant. And that would be an underestimate as we are all aware not all hives are registered on this database.

https://beekeepingforum.co.uk/threa...d-in-blenheim-forest.51826/page-3#post-797210

 

[Mint Bee]

https://beekeepingforum.co.uk/threa...d-in-blenheim-forest.51826/page-3#post-797210

Missed that, well remembered Dani! . so for sake of analysis if we say 80% of hives are registered on bee base (anyone have any published best guesses for this?), that leaves nearly 250 managed hives within 10 Km of Blenheim, and none of the drones produced by these hives are going to get lucky with the Blenheim virgins?

 

[Moobee]

I just can't see how he could know this. And of course I return to my earlier point that I've seen no published evidence of any black bees at Blenheim. Unless of course he's using some new definition of "black" with which I am unfamiliar that includes bees that are not, in fact, black.

James

Perhaps he’s one of those people who are shown a gold and white dress but can only see a black and blue one….

 

[jenkinsbrynmair]

he said that wild black bees mate with other black bees so by inference the Blenheim bees would mate with Blenheim drones preferentially

so why does he need to go to all the trouble of setting up bait hives to stop any incomers?

His middle name isn't Farage by any chance?

 

[JamezF]

Perhaps he’s one of those people who are shown a gold and white dress but can only see a black and blue one….

I think you might have cracked it

James

 

[Ian123]

Perhaps he’s one of those people who are shown a gold and white dress but can only see a black and blue one….

I really don’t see what a gentleman wears on a Friday night having any relevance to this discussion.

 

[jenkinsbrynmair]

I really don’t see what a gentleman wears on a Friday night having any relevance to this discussion

well anyone who wears gold and white on a Friday definitely needs their standards questioned

 

[Ian123]

well anyone who wears gold and white on a Friday definitely needs their standards questioned

I hang my head in shame

 

[JamezF]

Is gold and white just for weekends then? I'm a simple chap. My dress code is "Whatever comes out of the wardrobe first". Which can get you some funny looks when that's three pairs of shorts, a bow tie and nothing else.

James

 

[Moobee]

Is gold and white just for weekends then? I'm a simple chap. My dress code is "Whatever comes out of the wardrobe first". Which can get you some funny looks when that's three pairs of shorts, a bow tie and nothing else.

James

I knew I’d seen you somewhere before

 

[Arfermo]

Is gold and white just for weekends then? I'm a simple chap. My dress code is "Whatever comes out of the wardrobe first". Which can get you some funny looks when that's three pairs of shorts, a bow tie and nothing else.

James

My stuff is usually on the floor from the night before.