Decent Dadant Frames

[bjosephd]

Good rainy afternoon to you all,

So I'm toying with the idea of making a well insulated long (deep) hive this summer - but in order to take full advantage of a long hives raison d'être I thought I'd use Dadant frames.

I was going to use Langstroth brood frames, but my understanding is that Dadant frames are basically extra deep Langstroth frames.

However, I am struggling to find half decent Dadant frames. i.e. frames that have a single piece bottom bar, rather than the infuriating and fiddly double twig system that National frames use.

I'm not inclined to make my own!

Below follows the nice ML style frames I'm talking about... but it seems they don't do an extra deep version.

 

[bjosephd]

(this is a super frame... but ya get my drift)

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[Finman]

(this is a super frame... but ya get my drift)

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Strange, how much variations frames sticks can have

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[bjosephd]

Who provides your frames Finny?


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[Finman]

Who provides your frames Finny?


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I have not such provider. They are made in Estonia. 100 frames is 50€. Very high quality.
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This is my style http://www.northwoodsapiaries.com/P...dWoodFramesWithWaxCoatedPlasticFoundation.JPG

What has happened during 10 years, no one want any more 2 wire Langstroth frames. They need to have 4 wires.

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[bjosephd]

Ooh those are nice! Website?


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[Bee Bumble]

We use these:

http://www.swienty.com/shop/vare.asp?side=0&vareid=102664

You could use Thorne, they sell one piece bottom bars too - just ask them to supply the frames with them.

https://www.thorne.co.uk/2017-shows/sale-frames?product_id=6257

 

[Finman]

We use these:

http://www.swienty.com/shop/vare.asp?side=0&vareid=102664

6 wires and vertical

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[bjosephd]

Thanks Bee Bumble.

Sweinty's look nice - and apparently come pre wired!

I'll give Thorne a call on monday as I'm curious as to their solution.



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[Little John]

I was going to use Langstroth brood frames, but my understanding is that Dadant frames are basically extra deep Langstroth frames.

The Modified Dadant uses Jumbo Langstroth frames. I made some 14"x14" extra-extra-deep National frames which have the same comb area as Dadants - so 14"x12" frames are only two inches shorter and of course readily available.

Any particular reason why you dislike a divided bottom bar ? I run foundationless and don't have any use for that feature - but it's never been a problem for me. Just curious.
LJ

 

[Plenty of honey]

We buy ours ready wired from Le Rouge Apiculture. incredible value! dontknow how much they would charge for carriage? would make it not worth is really. make your own, their easy! however, Sweinty may be your answer. get them in kit and self assemble. easier if you only looking to get 10 or 20.

 

[bjosephd]

Any particular reason why you dislike a divided bottom bar ? I run foundationless and don't have any use for that feature - but it's never been a problem for me. Just curious.

LJ

Just fiddly and flimsy. With solid bottom bars when it comes to re-using, recommissioning etc the whole frame just becomes rock solid.

When I moved to Langstroth and these ML frames it was a dream compared to fiddling with those kindling twiglets. I just like all my kit to feel pleasing at the end of the day haha... and solid.




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[Quis Custodiet]

Any particular reason why you dislike a divided bottom bar ? I run foundationless and don't have any use for that feature - but it's never been a problem for me. Just curious.
LJ

Damn tricky tensioning the wire with split bottom bars, don't you think?

 

[bjosephd]

Damn tricky tensioning the wire with split bottom bars, don't you think?

Oh yes! That too!


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[Little John]

Damn tricky tensioning the wire with split bottom bars, don't you think?

What wire is that ? Never use the stuff - one less thing to purchase ...
LJ

 

[Fusion_power]

tricky tensioning the wire with split bottom bars, don't you think?

Not if the frames are built right. I use split bottom bars, but the bars are 9.5 mm square which makes them rather sturdy. I make all of my brood frames.

Worth mentioning that the frames commonly used are Modified Dadant. The original Dadant frames were based on Quinby's design and were about 40 mm longer.

 

[bjosephd]

Worth mentioning that the frames commonly used are Modified Dadant. The original Dadant frames were based on Quinby's design and were about 40 mm longer.

Wow!

That would be 432mm X 326mm
(or 17" X 12" & 12/16ths)

(nice work Fusion using metric even though you're in the US...

That would be a huge comb face!

That would be the way to bring a long hive into it's own maybe.

Fusion... what are the dimensions of your new bespoke frames?


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[Fusion_power]

I cut my frames to standard dimensions for a Langstroth hive, but the end bars are 286 mm (11 1/4 inches) long by 32 mm (1 1/4 inch) wide by 11 mm (13/32 inch) thick.

The top bar is standard Langstroth/Hoffman design but 22 mm wide to accommodate the narrower end bars.

Here is a picture of a frame wired and ready for foundation on top of a divider so I can run 2 queens side by side.

 

[bjosephd]

I see. So roughly modified Dadant with regards to comb face, and then a reduced space between frames.


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