Crown board replacement

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Hi I have a new crown board and want to replace my old one on my hive when could I do it ? Should I use a smoker ? Its a nice day and my girls are flying and bringing in pollen so they are active . I want to disturb them as little as possible cheers c
 
Your bees will have stuck your current one down really well wax and propolis most likely to make it nice and draft proof for winter. So unless there is something really wrong with the existing one I would leave it until your spring inspection...
 
I agree. Cover any holes in existing crown board, add insulation and leave until spring. If you have to change it, off and new one on in 10 seconds, but the the bees will have to stick it down all over again.
 
I agree. Cover any holes in existing crown board, add insulation and leave until spring. If you have to change it, off and new one on in 10 seconds, but the the bees will have to stick it down all over again.

I've just swapped a crown board yesterday - had to as the rim had come loose and there was a gap .. off with the old, on with the new - 10 seconds tops - bees didn't even notice, but it was a sunny evening. By today... new one stuck well an truly to the top of the hive. Mine could propolise for England.

But .. if you don't need to change it .. I agree ... leave it till spring.
 
Cheers p for your reply I changed the crown board and put insulation on top to. I haven't checked to see if its stuck down should I have a look on a good day?
 
No one seems to be too bothered about this when advocating the winter trickle of Api_bi Oxall !

Yeghes da
 
Hi teemore . curiosity killed the cat as they say I changed the crown board a couple of weeks ago now and Im not going to look I was just asking folk if it was a good idea. I've followed my grandads way of doing things as he left me 50 years worth of diary's to work from e.g have all feeding with syrup finished by the first moon in early October after that if you need to feed use fondant. Suppers removed or tucked under neath if they have stores in. Then close hive up remove entrance block mouse guard on insulation on crown board roof on stone on top of roof then do not disturb until spring . cheers c
 
Hi teemore . curiosity killed the cat as they say I changed the crown board a couple of weeks ago now and Im not going to look I was just asking folk if it was a good idea. I've followed my grandads way of doing things as he left me 50 years worth of diary's to work from e.g have all feeding with syrup finished by the first moon in early October after that if you need to feed use fondant. Suppers removed or tucked under neath if they have stores in. Then close hive up remove entrance block mouse guard on insulation on crown board roof on stone on top of roof then do not disturb until spring . cheers c

But the Oracle says the last moon if Sirius is rising!

Joshing aside... clear crownboards usually satisfy my curiosity!!

Nos da
 
Hi teemore . curiosity killed the cat as they say I changed the crown board a couple of weeks ago now and Im not going to look I was just asking folk if it was a good idea. I've followed my grandads way of doing things as he left me 50 years worth of diary's to work from e.g have all feeding with syrup finished by the first moon in early October after that if you need to feed use fondant. Suppers removed or tucked under neath if they have stores in. Then close hive up remove entrance block mouse guard on insulation on crown board roof on stone on top of roof then do not disturb until spring . cheers c

It is always good to learn from others - not only have you inherited wisdom to glean through, you also have this forum! people learn from their mistakes but it is better to learn from the mistakes others have learned before you ;)
 
No one seems to be too bothered about this when advocating the winter trickle of Api_bi Oxall !

Yeghes da

Or LASI's idea of taking out each frame in the middle of winter to scrape off any brood so that they are broodless for the Api-Bioxal vapourisation treatment.

CVB
 
I can't imagine opening the hive in winter. Shouldn't certain treatments be done at the right time. I'm only a new bee keeper what would I know ? Cheers c
 
Or LASI's idea of taking out each frame in the middle of winter to scrape off any brood so that they are broodless for the Api-Bioxal vapourisation treatment.

CVB

You have to work out for yourself the Pro's & Con's.
One treatment per year to keep the mites down sounds like a pretty convincing Pro to me.
If I was running many many more colonies than I'm running at the moment I would probably give it a try.
It doesn't bother me opening a colony up in the dead of winter providing I had a good reason for doing so.
 
My grandad had lots of hives 20+ he never used vap in the winter . he controlled mites after extraction. Wouldn't it be better to get your colonies in order before autumn/ winter sets in and the bee's would be all the healthier/ stronger for it the following year. Even if you had a hundred hives. Or am I quiet old fashioned. Cheers c.
 
Or LASI's idea of taking out each frame in the middle of winter to scrape off any brood so that they are broodless for the Api-Bioxal vapourisation treatment.

CVB

Rubbish idea unless all your bees are similar stock in similar hives. I have various and I’m sure they are broodless at different times of winter. Am I to open colonies weekly till I find just the one frame of brood to destroy? I have been away for five days so left my inspection trays in. One colony seems to have brood uncapped across most of the box! Another seems to be sitting quietly in one corner and the rest are something in between.
What on earth is wrong with bothering to treat more than once a year?
 
My grandad had lots of hives 20+ he never used vap in the winter . he controlled mites after extraction. Wouldn't it be better to get your colonies in order before autumn/ winter sets in and the bee's would be all the healthier/ stronger for it .


Yes, he was right.
He probably didn't vape because it's a pretty new idea but you need to get the mite levels as low as possible before the winter bees are made - midwinter is too late as all of them will be compromised by then, but LASI seem to think that's fine.
Most varroa treatments do not work on mites in sealed brood but we get over that with some treatments like apiguard by applying it over the whole brood cycle.
Originally OA trickling was offered as an alternative to the other treatments which had grown ineffective,not as a supplement, but trickling more than once over a short period is not recommended as it can harm bees and especially the queen therefore it has to be done in deep midwinter when the colony is broodless, or, as LASI love doing, rip the hive open and scrape out all the brood. But, as I said it's all pretty pointless as, if you haven't done an autumn treatment all the winter bees will have already been compromised, and if you did the job properly in the autumn, what's the point.
You can use vaping in the autumn, it doesn't harm or disturb the bees so you can do it multiple times - three or four times, once every five days will cover the whole brood cycle as varroa have to remain phoretic for a few days before nipping back into a brood cell. And if you want to do one treatment at Christmas time 'just for luck' why not, as you don't have to open up so no disturbance to the bees (unless, again, you follow LASI's 'advice')
 
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What a wonderful thing for a lazy beekeeper, though. Treat once a year and rob honey the rest of the time. Wonderful leave alone beekeeping without understanding the creature in your care. Buy a box and throw some bees in? Wait a minute. I’ve heard that somewhere else?
Great advice from an outfit that bred leave alone bees that treated themselves..... oh apart from brood disease
 

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