Carny cross Bucky?

[bjosephd]

Just read someone saying that when your carnies cross with your buckfasts you get grumpy bee troubles?

So anyone know what really happens if your carny queen mates with bucky drones. Or buckfast queen with carny queens?

Or do you just get a random who knows what, both diluted, and you could get anything.

(I've just successfully introduced a buckfast queen... and might have accidentally purchased a carny queen... 'whoops'

 

[Anduril]

Just read someone saying that when your carnies cross with your buckfasts you get grumpy been troubles?

So anyone know what really happens if your carny queen mates with bucky drones. Or buckfast queen with carny queens?

Or do you just get a random who knows what, both diluted, and you could get anything.

(I've just successfully introduced a buckfast queen... and might have accidentally purchased a carny queen... 'whoops'

Depends where the drone congregation areas are. They won't necessarily crossbreed. Queens tend to travel further than drones from the same area.

 

[bjosephd]

Depends where the drone congregation areas are. They won't necessarily crossbreed. Queens tend to travel further than drones from the same area.

Ah yes Indeed of course.

However, I'm generally curious as to what the potential is for such crossbreeds. Mine or not.

 

[Anduril]

From what I read Brother Adam did produce defensive bees on some crosses and then the next cross would be calm.

 

[wightbees]

My BF cross are fine but Carn are bloody awful, they don't like the local mix I think !

 

[madasafish]

My BF cross are fine but Carn are bloody awful, they don't like the local mix I think !

I have some ok carnie crosses but one appalling one..

 

[Finman]

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Carni bees are many. And when a Queen mated, it has 16 partners. You do not know which of them make crumpy bees. And mostly they are mongrels.

You get crumpy from what ever if you do not select them and do not squeeze angry queens.

 

[Finman]

From what I read Brother Adam did produce defensive bees on some crosses and then the next cross would be calm.

That is not possible.
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[wightbees]

That is not possible.
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Why?

 

[Anduril]

That is not possible.
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Have you read his books?

 

[Finman]

Why?

Defensivenes is bee's natural feature. In nature bees defense their nest and Winter stores.

Calm bees are Gene errors made by human.

When bees get normal genes by crossing, the genome heals, it turns its original form.

Why heck the colony suddenly is going to be nice and stops to defense its nest? IT looses the battle in existence.
What idea is in it genetically?
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[Bryang]

My experience with Buckfasts locally is, if I let a Bucky virgin mate with the local mongrels I get a colony from hell.... they attack without provocation and follow for a long distance. But a black "AMM" virgin tends to produce a less aggressive colony that is quite productive. I like Buckies but cant take the chance of me missing a swarm and landing up with a colony of pure evil.

 

[jeff33]

One of my local mix queen has mated with buckies. They are pretty calm and I am very happy with this colony.

 

[Fusion_power]

I have several Buckfast queens raised this year and mated to mite resistant drones. I won't know for a few months yet whether they will be difficult. If they are, I will still raise from them, but do careful selection in the next generation.

 

[Quis Custodiet]

That is not possible.
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Actually that did happen and on more than one occasion.

 

[Quis Custodiet]

Just read someone saying that when your carnies cross with your buckfasts you get grumpy bee troubles?..........................................

My understanding is that Carniolan x Buckfast results in a very docile bee. Apart from using II this can only be achieved in pure race areas such as Germany. Open mating in other areas results in mongrel x and this is how aggression is introduced.

 

[Fusion_power]

Open mating in other areas results in mongrel x and this is how aggression is introduced.

I wish it really were that simple. Africanized bees crossed to Buckfast drones are much milder than the Africanized line. It is all in the perspective.

 

[Finman]

Actually that did happen and on more than one occasion.

IT is better to follow basic rules of genetics. ... What ever happens. Mongrel genetics is its own world.

 

[Finman]

I wish it really were that simple. Africanized bees crossed to Buckfast drones are much milder than the Africanized line. It is all in the perspective.

But after a while they are pure African scutella again, because pure Scutella emerge first.

 

[Beefriendly]

My experience with Buckfasts locally is

What is your starting stock? Island mated (F0), or open mated which depending on circumstances is usually the equivalent of F1.....which is what I suspect you are calling Buckfast, so you are already onto F2 when you allow them to mate, which is 75% local and only 25% Buckfast.
And where has the aggression come from? Not from the buckfast bees.