Black Cornish Native bees of Rame

[Teemore]

Nice looking beehives.

I recognised the roofs and it would appear I correctly pointed a third party to the correct supplier last night!

PS - back on thread - it was nice to see the Cornish AMM getting some good PR.

 

[mbc]

PS - back on thread - it was nice to see the Conrish AMM getting some good PR.

Well done to all involved.

 

[Swarm]

Very nice, I enjoyed it. Wonder if it's worth approaching the Welsh Assembly to fund such a project?

 

[jenkinsbrynmair]

PS - back on thread - it was nice to see the Cornish AMM getting some good PR.

but you should see some of the b*llox posted on the BBKA facebook page!

 

[Nige.Coll]

I watched it and fair play to you.
It is the British Bullshit Corporation when all said and done so they are bound to balls it up somehow.
I have no love for the black bee but nice to see someone doing something constructive bee related on mainstream media.

 

[Nige.Coll]

but you should see some of the b*llox posted on the BBKA facebook page!

Your very active there mate.

 

[Quis Custodiet]

The bees appear to be more Buckfast than North European Dark Bees, nothing wrong with that. I understand some of those queens from Cornwall have been exported to Ireland, to help increase the gene pool of the North European Dark Bees there. Such co-operation and good will is to be further encouraged, as only good can come of it.

 

[For want of a better word]

The bees appear to be more Buckfast than North European Dark Bees, nothing wrong with that. I understand some of those queens from Cornwall have been exported to Ireland, to help increase the gene pool of the North European Dark Bees there. Such co-operation and good will is to be further encouraged, as only good can come of it.

An explanation as to why the bees appeared to be of the Mediterranean imported hybridised variety has been given here , on this thread and others.
BBC stock footage of imports,.... new colony started on drone free Italian type bees with newly mated DNA certified Amm queen etc etc.

I am not aware of Cornish Amm being exported to Ireland, and would like further and better information, as there may be lessons to be learned... particularly as the Irish isles have their own endemic, thriving and well documented population of Native Amm ( All be it under the threat of thoughtless profiteering of imports of hybridised and non native bee types... with its record of Environmental Biosecurity I am surprised that the Irish governments [ either side of the open boarder!) are allowing such almost criminal activity to take place!!!

I believe some Irish Amm were exported to Devon... probably to Buckfast Abbey

Have a nice day

Yeghes da

 

[Quis Custodiet]

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I believe some Irish Amm were exported to Devon... probably to Buckfast Abbey

Have a nice day

Yeghes da

That is quite correct, it was found that Irish AMM were even more prone to "following" than their Sassanach contemporaries. I heard that from a friend of Bro. Adam.

 

[SDM]

There is currently ZERO documentation on a thriving Irish native Amm population.
DNA results and study have not been published and individual breeders have been asked not to reveal results.
However if there is such a thing. Your quite wrong about how govt. should look at imports.
If DNA results show pure Amm in various parts of the UK despite a century of imports and the fact that morphometry or choosing your darkest bee is about as useful as flipping a coin in selecting your purest Amm. It would show that open mating still gives pure bees despite the proximity of other races. Any credible conservation argument would be out the window and associations would be able to advise keeping whatever bee the Beekeepers prefered. No conservation areas or funding/special status would need to be considered as it could be safely assumed that the British black bee was making a reasonable recovery since it's near extinction to acarine.
Don't you think ?

 

[Swarm]

Don't you think ?

No.
I see nothing wrong with preservation of indigenous species (sub species).

 

[For want of a better word]

There is currently ZERO documentation on a thriving Irish native Amm population.
DNA results and study have not been published and individual breeders have been asked not to reveal results.
However if there is such a thing. Your quite wrong about how govt. should look at imports.
If DNA results show pure Amm in various parts of the UK despite a century of imports and the fact that morphometry or choosing your darkest bee is about as useful as flipping a coin in selecting your purest Amm. It would show that open mating still gives pure bees despite the proximity of other races. Any credible conservation argument would be out the window and associations would be able to advise keeping whatever bee the Beekeepers prefered. No conservation areas or funding/special status would need to be considered as it could be safely assumed that the British black bee was making a reasonable recovery since it's near extinction to acarine.
Don't you think ?

Yes... if it was me you were asking the question....... now what exactly was the question?

Which book did you read that the UK population went extinct from acarine.... probably Yates!

Yeghes da

 

[SDM]

Did I say they went extinct ? No .
Did I say they were close to it, yes. Care to dispute that ?

Lol , the question was do you agree with everything after.
"Your quite wrong about how govt.should look at imports"
I'm glad you agree.

 

[SDM]

No.
I see nothing wrong with preservation of indigenous species (sub species).

Me neither, my point is it plainly needs no conservation as it has survived a century of importation, breeding true despite no credible means of selection available to Beekeepers and without the need for isolation.
Miraculous really.

 

[For want of a better word]

Me neither, my point is it plainly needs no conservation as it has survived a century of importation, breeding true despite no credible means of selection available to Beekeepers and without the need for isolation.
Miraculous really.

With 200000+ imported queens every year it would seem crass to expect that there would be no pressure on the indigenous native species.
The fact that the native black bee has survived is probably due to the simple fact that it has evolved to survive our Northern Temperate Maritime climate and is probably most fit for purpose!

Yeghes da

 

[islayhawk]

I was lead to believe that the first reserve for the black bee was on the island of Colonsay off the west coadt of Scotland established a few years ago. So what is different about these bees

 

[Hivemaker.]

So what is different about these bees

They are Cornish... and the ones up there are Scottish.

 

[islayhawk]

Well apart from the obvious geographic difference !!

 

[Hivemaker.]

Well apart from the obvious geographic difference !!

The ones up there originated in part, fairly recently, from France, the Cornish ones have been there since the last ice age and despite hundreds of years of imports of other sub species have managed to remain almost pure, probably because they refuse to mate with with them... also helped due to the isolation of Cornwall and low human population.

 

[beebopper]

Are the bees I saw at the Eden project Cornish blacks?