Beekeeper on trial - treatments

[mbc]

Always the case isn't it - nice little scalp for some box ticker somewhere.

**** like this will have gone quite far up before decisions are made re prosecution, if they go ahead it will be intended as a general warning to all but will be totally misdirected and ineffective as it will make cooperation and openness far less likely from any beefarmers in the future, absolutely totally ill advised imho.

 

[jenkinsbrynmair]

**** like this will have gone quite far up before decisions are made re prosecution, if they go ahead it will be intended as a general warning to all but will be totally misdirected and ineffective as it will make cooperation and openness far less likely from any beefarmers in the future, absolutely totally ill advised imho.

Been there seen it, had to deal with the sht storm they created then walked away

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[Teemore]

Murray, I hope that the case is decided in a way that recognises your involvement in the development of the EFB treatment programme, the scale of your beekeeping organisation and of potential losses had you not been pro-active.
I can't help but feel that bringing cases like this to court begins to make a mockery of the Disease Accreditation Scheme for Honeybees and Government's desire for Beekeepers to take a greater responsibility for the management and control of notifiable diseases.

 

[oliver90owner]

The organophosphate refers to coumophos in the checkmite. Not for EFB but for varroa control.

BKA also recommends it for regular spraying for mite 'prevention' rather than 'contol' of an infestation Unfortunately that BKA does not refer to bees!

 

[dpearce4]

I really sorry to hear this Murray. I hope it gets sorted in the right way. I'm not surprised after the convo I have with the VMD in August when they came and tested my bees, they are looking for scapegoats at the moment.

 

[charlievictorbravo]

I really sorry to hear this Murray. I hope it gets sorted in the right way. I'm not surprised after the convo I have with the VMD in August when they came and tested my bees, they are looking for scapegoats at the moment.

I fear you may be right - he is not being prosecuted because he contravened the regulations but so that other people will not contravene the regulations.

CVB

 

[AndyTh]

I fear you may be right - he is not being prosecuted because he contravened the regulations but so that other people will not contravene the regulations.

CVB

I suspect many on here recognise and respect ILTD's experience, and greatly value his contributions here. You have to give credit to a guy who moves 2000 hives halfway across the UK to the heather every August! Like CVB I fear the bureaucrats may view this as an opportunity to send all 44000 UK amateur and 199 professional beekeepers a message by making an example. Pour encourager les autres (admiral's on the French and British sides were, in the 18th century, executed for losing, "to encourage the others". Let's hope justice isn't used as then to threaten and coerce UK beekeepers, whose activity is for 99% of them, a hobby. Surely better to respect it's traditions of shared interest, handing down the craft from old to new generations, education, activities of local BKAs rather than threatening Judicial 'encouragement'. Creating criminals out of beekeepers is a relatively recent phenomenon as regulation and law encroaches on a very ancient craft and pastime. Let's hope the law doesn't make an ass of itself in this, and future bee-related cases.

ILTD, best wishes and hopefully this will all soon be behind you, so you can move on, to what we all get a buzz from, keeping our bees. AT

 

[For want of a better word]

I wonder if the vast quantities of EU and OTHER NO EU COUNTRIES honey and hive products undergo the same rigorous testing that the VMD and other government and non government organisations and agencies impose upon UK beekeepers.

Looking at some of the cheap honey on supermarket shelves and recent comments about foundation that is availiable in the UK at present... I some what doubt it.

Not because Johnny Foreigner is allowed to tip poisions into his hives and get away with it as much as UK beekeepers are undergoing a pogrum for using " unlicenced products" such as tried and tested Oxallic acid ( even if some big chem co managed to steal a chance on it for a mere £30K!!)

Moral is ... keep records!

Yeghes da

 

[REDWOOD]

Where has pulling a person to one side, slapping their wrists and give a justified fine gone. No need to make such a big thing about it and dragging it through the media.
Pity they don't make examples of druggies who batter old people to death for the sake of a few bob.

 

[maddydog]

**** like this will have gone quite far up before decisions are made re prosecution, if they go ahead it will be intended as a general warning to all but will be totally misdirected and ineffective as it will make cooperation and openness far less likely from any beefarmers in the future, absolutely totally ill advised imho.

Compulsory registration and fees not far away imho. Makes you wonder whether the Government even want beekeepers. Not enough the free pollination and £100's (£1000's!?) in VAT I've paid.

 

[Finman]

Looking at some of the cheap honey on supermarket shelves and recent comments about foundation that is availiable in the UK at present... I some what doubt it.

Not because Johnny Foreigner is allowed to tip poisions into his hives and get aw

That is too much said that cheap honey has poisons.

Look at international honey import prices in harbour, for example from Argentina.
..

You burn your valuable wax as candles and then you claim that foreign bee wax is poison. Out of sense.
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[AndyTh]

I wonder if the vast quantities of EU and OTHER NO EU COUNTRIES honey and hive products undergo the same rigorous testing that the VMD and other government and non government organisations and agencies impose upon UK beekeepers.

Looking at some of the cheap honey on supermarket shelves and recent comments about foundation that is availiable in the UK at present... I some what doubt it.

Not because Johnny Foreigner is allowed to tip poisions into his hives and get away with it as much as UK beekeepers are undergoing a pogrum for using " unlicenced products" such as tried and tested Oxallic acid ( even if some big chem co managed to steal a chance on it for a mere £30K!!)

Moral is ... keep records!

Yeghes da

Treat and keep records, or don't treat at all. Or just give up beekeeping. Law of unintended consequences....

 

[Gilberdyke John]

Treat and keep records, or don't treat at all. Or just give up beekeeping. Law of unintended consequences....

Officiadom doesn’t use logic

 

[dpearce4]

Treat and keep records, or don't treat at all. Or just give up beekeeping. Law of unintended consequences....

You will find many will just give up, It wouldn't be a surprise if that's the point, fewer beekeepers = fewer inspectors needed then saving gov money.

 

[Gilberdyke John]

You will find many will just give up, It wouldn't be a surprise if that's the point, fewer beekeepers = fewer inspectors needed then saving gov money.

Lots of concern for pollinators = discourage beekeepers
It's got to be the EA

 

[Hivemaker.]

You will find many will just give up

And they will be the ones that were never too committed or serious about beekeeping in the first place, quitters, at the first sign of any pressure at all.

 

[pargyle]

And they will be the ones that were never too committed or serious about beekeeping in the first place, quitters, at the first sign of any pressure at all.

I see enough of them quit when there is NO pressure ... just realise that beekeeping involves a bit of work and thought ... bought into a dream - not the reality.

 

[For want of a better word]

"To make a go of any business you have to be prepared to make sacrifices and work bloody hard.... I did not make my first million by sitting around on my arse, believe you me.
Seems to me whatever line of business you are in, the goalposts are constantly being moved, this culls the lazy and the bodgers"....this was my electrician who was having his new installation in the Honey Skiber inspected to ensure he had installed to the latest 3rd of the 17 Ed IEE regulations.

I have suggested that he should relax a bit and keep some bees.....

Yeghes da

 

[madasafish]

You will find many will just give up, It wouldn't be a surprise if that's the point, fewer beekeepers = fewer inspectors needed then saving gov money.

The inspectors are funded by the EU...

 

[madasafish]

I see enough of them quit when there is NO pressure ... just realise that beekeeping involves a bit of work and thought ... bought into a dream - not the reality.

Yes: I have seen it too.

Or the ones who refuse to attend classes because they know it all/can learn from books etc.