bee inspector

[tonybloke]

what's a television?

 

[psafloyd]

What makes you think they will use the normal entrance?

Don you mean to say the bee inspector operates liken the SAS?

How else wouldnthey gain access without someone to let them in?

 

[BBG]

I'm with you Pete
The inspectorate is pro-active, Take the argument about suspicions !
The advent of the inspectorate plus the powers given was to cover the short comings of beekeepers in the first place .
Be grateful that the service is free as is the advice given .
A little more humility and a little less knocking would be welcomed I thinpk .

IMHO
VM

These statements, as with those about "your type" are like finding a fifteen year old who is unable to manage the lesser sums in mathematics because he had an indifferent teacher. In your case, we find a self-made man

The police DO say 'three bags full sir' because it helps, public perception and helps prevent outbreaks of violence directed to them - sensible.

The NBU merged or was rebranded from the National Agricultural Advisory Service, before that .......

Not as a response to the Shortcomings of beekeepers

The new buzzword, transparency, is appropriate in most situations. The public demands it. If not we would find the Metropolitan Police being paid for information or to turn a blind eye to things like illegal phone hacking or newspaper owners bribing prime ministers, people who were guilty of criminal activities employed to work in No. 10 and advising the PM.........

Social Services and police inefficiencies that allow children to be tortured for months until they die.

MAFF telling us beef was ok to eat even in 1989 when they had known since 1983 things weren't so good.
MAFF thought imported mink was a good idea.
Foot and Mouth debacle? 7.7 million animals gone , most healthy
Poor TB diagnoses
"contiguous culls" Now there's the next step for a big outbreak of AFB perhaps.
Government control rarely works, is always v. V. expensive.

And my, my where did you dig up a word like humility!

Regarding bees; populations have dropped, best way to invigorate/repopulate - get the public interested, have them buy bees, unskilled beekeeping brings swarms, lots of healthy, heavily populating swarms.

Tick the public off through bad manners, red tape, bureaucracy, heavy behaviour - they'll go fishing instead.

Humility!! Are you still pulling your forelock for those you regard as your superiors.

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[Lance Hutchings]

Bee Inspectors are welcome at my place anytime
Could do with all the help and advice I can get as a Newbee

 

[victor meldrew]

These statements, as with those about "your type" are like finding a fifteen year old who is unable to manage the lesser sums in mathematics because he had an indifferent teacher. In your case, we find a self-made man

The police DO say 'three bags full sir' because it helps, public perception and helps prevent outbreaks of violence directed to them - sensible.

The NBU merged or was rebranded from the National Agricultural Advisory Service, before that .......

Not as a response to the Shortcomings of beekeepers

The new buzzword, transparency, is appropriate in most situations. The public demands it. If not we would find the Metropolitan Police being paid for information or to turn a blind eye to things like illegal phone hacking or newspaper owners bribing prime ministers, people who were guilty of criminal activities employed to work in No. 10 and advising the PM.........

Social Services and police inefficiencies that allow children to be tortured for months until they die.

MAFF telling us beef was ok to eat even in 1989 when they had known since 1983 things weren't so good.
MAFF thought imported mink was a good idea.
Foot and Mouth debacle? 7.7 million animals gone , most healthy
Poor TB diagnoses
"contiguous culls" Now there's the next step for a big outbreak of AFB perhaps.
Government control rarely works, is always v. V. expensive.

And my, my where did you dig up a word like humility!

Regarding bees; populations have dropped, best way to invigorate/repopulate - get the public interested, have them buy bees, unskilled beekeeping brings swarms, lots of healthy, heavily populating swarms.

Tick the public off through bad manners, red tape, bureaucracy, heavy behaviour - they'll go fishing instead.

Humility!! Are you still pulling your forelock for those you regard as your superiors.

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Good! It was time to get off your soap box
You were beginning to rant a little

Nothing is perfect but the systems in place are better than anarchy

VM

 

[mbc]

My inspector rushes about like a headless chicken and seems terribly overworked but hes terrific with the bees and with advice and the last time I went round my bees with him he shared his sandwiches and flask with me as I'd left mine behind.
Top bloke and I think we should all have a bit more sympathy for the pressure people in public service are under, year by year their workload increases without any benefit to them, plus we should beer in mind that unless your inspector is an RBI then they are thrown to the wolves every winter with no income from defra at all, and yet they faithfully turn up to work each spring for the love of bees.

"beer in mind" mmmh ! maybe its time to lay off the booze !

 

[tonybloke]

"beer in mind" mmmh ! maybe its time to lay off the booze !

very Freudian indeed!!

 

[richardbees]

Tonybloke

"I had a visit a fortnight ago, a lovely lady inspector. She was both quick and thorough..."

any chance of her phone number?

richard

 

[Winker]

then ring him up

I did on Friday, he was not there so i left a mesage. He got back to me today, and came out to see me today. 2 hours he spent with me and 10 mineuts with the bees. Nice lad! we had a great chat about bees, life and how to right the world

 

[peteinwilts]

the wiltshire bee inspector was a nice guy and treated everything as carefully as I would my own.

He suggested I handled the bees I was worried about (being queenright or not)

We had a good afternoon inspecting the bees and taught me a trick or two. it was a good experience and I am glad he came.

... and most important of all, he gave me a clean bill of health

 

[biggles]

Had the inspector visit today. He was very nice and went through all my hive's here and the out apiarys. He gave me the all clear and was just very friendly and helpful. He didn't rush anything and took 5 hours to go through them all.

He's welcome back any time and the first person I would call if I had any problems.

A really good, free service.

PS its a shame we have lost another member of this forum.

 

[rog]

I have been reading this thread with interest and whilst I am not a bee inspector I am a animal health officer and egg marketing inspector.
Powers of Entry. I am not sure about the bee legislation but my powers of entry are at any reasonable time but I am not allowed in the household even if the records are kept there.If I suspect disease or welfare issues I have more powers. However most of us dont throw our weight around. Yes I arrive unanounced but I introduce myself and make a big show of bio security measures. Clean boiler suit every visit, wellies well disinfected on and off. It is not unusual for me to turn around and leave if the time is not right on routine visits with a "ok I will come back another day your obviously busy/just going out".
The best way to get things done is to work with people and get them to work with you so unless people are very antagonistic or just wont co operate I try to understand their problems etc. It does help that I spent 25 years farming so I do know my business. I guess bee inspectors have experience before they become inspectors. I have not been inspected and may be concerned that someone else might want to poke into my business but I guess the way you approach the inspector will affect the way you and your bees will be treated.
On the other side of the fence I know a bee inspector who looked at the Top bar hive my father had made and said"huh one of those" so not sure they are all open minded.

 

[Poly Hive]

Being thick here and after reading the 8 pages am lost. Who is lost? (apart from I?)

PH (on holls)

 

[The Apprentices]

Did she change clothing between apiaries, wash hive tool, gloves etc or did you not think she could be bringing disease to your bees?

You didn't mention these checks in your enthusing.

Yantabulla; greetings like "Hi, I'm Chuck from Alabama!". Don't cut the grass in the old country I'm afraid.

At 260 a pop I doubt the inspectors will have that many suits, but they can bee washed.
On the part where someone mentioned a paying hobby or an alternative income, when you start recieving money the tax man doesn't know about, best to barter with those you know, but not the inspectors.

To point one towards many of the other ideas and feelings go and look up on the tube.

The Story of Your Enslavement.

To bee or not to bee, we are all included in said video

 

[The Apprentices]

I have been reading this thread with interest and whilst I am not a bee inspector I am a animal health officer and egg marketing inspector.
Powers of Entry. I am not sure about the bee legislation but my powers of entry are at any reasonable time but I am not allowed in the household even if the records are kept there.If I suspect disease or welfare issues I have more powers. However most of us dont throw our weight around. Yes I arrive unanounced but I introduce myself and make a big show of bio security measures. Clean boiler suit every visit, wellies well disinfected on and off. It is not unusual for me to turn around and leave if the time is not right on routine visits with a "ok I will come back another day your obviously busy/just going out".

The best way to get things done is to work with people and get them to work with you so unless people are very antagonistic or just wont co operate I try to understand their problems etc. It does help that I spent 25 years farming so I do know my business..... I guess bee inspectors have experience before they become inspectors.

I have not been inspected and may be concerned that someone else might want to poke into my business but I guess the way you approach the inspector will affect the way you and your bees will be treated.

On the other side of the fence I know a bee inspector who looked at the Top bar hive my father had made and said"huh one of those" so not sure they are all open minded.

We are also from farming stock reaching right back to 1508 and over those years have kept bees on and off in many different ways from skeps to wooden houses of varying sorts amd remember Grandfather cursing the skeps he made and used in his day.

On the part where you mention the Warre, these are supposed to mimic the hole in a tree and be less stressfull to the bees if left alone,,,,,, but we live in different times and ways and difficult times at best,,,,,our climate is undoubtedly cooling and summers and springs are becomming erratic as every beekeeper has witnessed over the last several, and why I have made myself a collection of Warre based systems to see if the smaller colony fairs any better than its larger cousins, once very profitable in the warmer mid 70's and 80's.

It is when the inspector gets involved with a Warre, where said inspector takes on the form of a brown bear, because much damage is done to the colony in order of getting inside to inspect the contents properly, and the bees do not take kindly to having their homes broken open and any stress saved beforehand is swiftly lost in the process especially if the time consuming affair takes place on an erratic hot/cold/colder still day like today.

This is why I opted for the moveable frames but retaining the quilt, roof section and other mods of my own.

On one inspection our VERA told us a Warrying story, they who will remain nameless, said that a newbie warrior came out with the statement, saying that they had stopped feeding their colony because they thought it was high time that the bees went out and earned their own keep, a true story by the way.

I can see both resonsible legislation and a " Common Purpous " at work here and the departmentalised type seperation it causes to the smooth running of anything bees and what will surely be a ban on most but a few of the better proven top bar hive systems once the friction reaches saturation point, and it will, always does, which is now in place in many American State rulings.

I bet these people don't still drive the old polluting unreliable banger cars of old and drive shiny new ones instead or waste money leaving their hot taps running while the Combi boiler struggles to keep up with demamd.

They still rush to the doctor when they fall ill,so why the different aproach when it comes to insect husbandry, why catch the wild swarm and place it in said TBH in the first place, why not simply leave them to their own devices and be done.

In this falling of the current empire much confusion is taking place or am I the only person noticing things, maybe it is time to wake up, to make the best of what one has to hand, including all of natures unpaid servants who are in our care.

 

[biggles]

Being thick here and after reading the 8 pages am lost. Who is lost? (apart from I?)

PH (on holls)

Sorry there's two threads in two days call "bee inspector" and I got them crossed. This is the one I thought I was on http://www.beekeepingforum.co.uk/showthread.php?t=12677

 

[madasafish]

,,,,,, but we live in different times and ways and difficult times at best,,,,,our climate is undoubtedly cooling and summers and springs are becomming erratic as every beekeeper has witnessed over the last several, .

Cooling? Fascinating.

I must have missed all the winter snow over the past 20 years...

 

[peteinwilts]

Sorry there's two threads in two days call "bee inspector" and I got them crossed. This is the one I thought I was on http://www.beekeepingforum.co.uk/showthread.php?t=12677

mine was first!

 

[The Apprentices]

Cooling? Fascinating.

I must have missed all the winter snow over the past 20 years...

That's right you never missed the snows, when it snows it is warmer than prolonged frosts.

There is an older couple in our area who I know well who have been keeping bees for 40 + years now, who have also been keeping detailed weather recordss as we have using a Stevenson screen and phoning them in for at least 25 of those years and theirs and our own records show a cooling overall in the last Ten, trusted manual recordings by ordinary people not scientists.

There is a great explanation of how the cooling and Co2 sequestration works on a blog by Adrian Vance where he uses a coke bottle model to explain things clearly.

Until we have studdied how the weather and our oceans actually works you will never know how we are being scammed about climate change.

There are also some great historical evidences in Jarred Diamonds book, called Collapse of how the climate rules civilisations before and after industrialisation took place.

On a closing note, they say that when we have laden fruit trees we are in for another cold winter, take a look at them this year, cooling I would bet on, snows not if its too cold.

Adaptation cost far less than failure, that is what I am doing just like people over millenia.

 

[drstitson]

"On a closing note, they say that when we have laden fruit trees we are in for another cold winter, take a look at them this year, cooling I would bet on, snows not if its too cold."

agree - last autumn the hedgerows were bursting along my commute - inc. loads of apples i'd never noticed before.

perhaps the winter tyres won't be necessary this year.