bbka WANT TO RAISE fEES AGAIN

[victor meldrew]

I agree also.

But for some, it might make a difference.

Perhaps local BKAs could offer differential membership rates for people on benefits,

The drinks are on you, VM!


Dusty

BENEDICTUS BENEDICAT

Vm


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[Dusty Rhodes]

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Ah VM,

How I relish responses from a man classically educated!

I will carry your words in my bosom.

I fear I am not long for this Forum.
I think I will soon suffer the fate of heretics several centuries ago:

My thoughts will be expunged from the public records;
I will be burned at the stake;
then cast into the outer darkness of Forum purgatory: BANNED!

Dusty

 

[clv101]

Does anyone understand the BDI insurance?
A regular full membership includes insurance for 3 hives?
What about the reduced price partner membership - a few quid less, no BBKA News, but does it also include insurance for an additional 3 hives or not?

 

[VEG]

I think it covers you for 3 hives between you not 3 for you and 3 for your partner.

 

[Russel]

Does anyone understand the BDI insurance?
A regular full membership includes insurance for 3 hives?
What about the reduced price partner membership - a few quid less, no BBKA News, but does it also include insurance for an additional 3 hives or not?

BDI covers the first 3 hives then additional fees for up to 39 hives in total.
All colonies must be declared even expected increases/swarms etc to be covered.
If you share an apiary and one of you under declares and something goes wrong, non of you are covered.

We only offer 2 levels of membership to KISS.
Full : £30 for those with bees .Plus additional BDI fees. Incurs capitation
Associate: £12 partners, family members etc without bees. No capitation.

The BBKA has 5 levels of membership and capitation for each shown.

Registered members from £17.00 to £18.00

Other categories of member, pro rata:

Partner members from £11.20 to £11.90

Country members from £8.50 to £9.50

Junior members from £8.50 to £9.50

Individual members £37.00 to £38.00

 

[REDWOOD]

I personally don't think a couple of pounds increase is going to brake anyone's bank but the shear principal of it and I would like to know who's bright idea was it to charge junior members, that is taking the biscuit

 

[itma]

Does anyone understand the BDI insurance?
A regular full membership includes insurance for 3 hives?
What about the reduced price partner membership - a few quid less, no BBKA News, but does it also include insurance for an additional 3 hives or not?

Good question.

BBKA membership incudes 3rd party and some product liability insurance. It accounts for perhaps £1,20 a year of what gets paid on your behalf to the BBKA.
But BDI (a different thing entirely) is not paid through BBKA.
http://www.beediseasesinsurance.co.uk/about-1/a-guide-for-bkas-treasurers-and-beekeepers


Many (most?) Associations include BDI in their subscriptions, but its not passed on to the BBKA.
Regarding your association's partner membership details/benefits, that would be a matter specific to that association.
You should be given a (BDI) insurance certificate - which would show exactly what you were covered for.

 

[Tom Bick]

If you share an apiary and one of you under declares and something goes wrong, non of you are covered.

So if I share an apiary with two other people as I do and one of the people are not insured then I am not covered for this site and perhaps all my other hives on other sites?

 

[VEG]

correct tom all hives have to be included

 

[Russel]

So if I share an apiary with two other people as I do and one of the people are not insured then I am not covered for this site and perhaps all my other hives on other sites?

Yes only applies to BDI not PL ins.
When you have a FERA inspection on a shared site. You'll probably tell the SBI who owns which colonies, he/she duly notes this info and should he/she find a disease, BDI get notified as part of the claim reporting procedure. So if the others don't think it's worth the extra money you can come unstuck should you need to claim.

 

[Chris B]

idea was it to charge junior members, that is taking the biscuit

There was no such thing as junior membership until about 2 years ago, in fact the idea had been resisted because BBKA did not want to get bogged down with things like costly child protection policies for a potentially small number of junior members (at least that's my interpretation). Most under 16's with bees also have parents who are beekeepers so have no need to join a BKA in their own right. But a small number were joining up and paying the full membership and the numbers were likely to increase due to growing popularity of beekeeping, including inclusion in the Duke of Edinburgh award scheme. So the delegates meeting did agree to create a junior membership category and charge 50% rates which is fairer as they get some benefits but not all - I don't think liability insurance is relevant for example. Personally I'd have gone further and charged a token membership of a pound or two - not entirely free though (I don't imagine junior beekeepers sell their honey for any less than we do).

 

[Tom Bick]

correct tom all hives have to be included

Yes only applies to BDI not PL ins.
When you have a FERA inspection on a shared site. You'll probably tell the SBI who owns which colonies, he/she duly notes this info and should he/she find a disease, BDI get notified as part of the claim reporting procedure. So if the others don't think it's worth the extra money you can come unstuck should you need to claim.

Bugger

 

[alanf]

Bugger

Indeed. You're also relying on everybody getting their sums and contingency right. You pay for 3, a couple look like swarming so you AS, and a bait hive picks up a swarm. That counts as 6. Even if you thought you might expand and paid for 5, with the best intentions, you're over that. You and anyone else you share with is not covered. Even more of a problem is association apiaries that include members hives. You have the problem multiplied with 10 or more people having to be fully subscribed for all the sites they operate on. Just one underestimating, late, not renewing or uncertainty over handing over hives to family members, non of you are covered. Oh, and Top Bar hives or Warres are not covered anyway.

Locally, with the restrictive rules and low actual payouts, associations are questioning the value of BDI and at least one has dropped it for next year.

 

[alanf]

we charge a £9 capitation plus £1 county and for that we run five apiaries for our urban members plus the cost of running a club house

BBKA capitation, county £1, BDI and Beecraft. The annual membership has only 2 pounds per member left for the local association.

OK, so there is some commission on members' honey sales at events, some donations for talks, a small margin on supplies sold and a few other bits and pieces but it doesn't leave a lot of room for manoeuvre. I can see BDI being dropped and Beecraft being optional as the next steps.

 

[roche]

One of the questions that has to be asked is what value the county associations bring to the party...

 

[Barbarian]

The increase bugs me.

What bugs me more is that there will not be time for my association to discuss the matter and instruct our delegates how to vote.

 

[victor meldrew]

One of the questions that has to be asked is what value the county associations bring to the party...

I attend our county meetings , this is the platform for the individual branches ,this is where delegates gain incite into the general feeling of the membership! This is where inter branch activities are discussed (fetes, honey shows etc , transport to the convention maybe, especially as the venue has changed)
I find it's the apathetic who think it not worth it ! They often moan about how things should be done but offer no input, attend no meetings and pay their dues grudgingly !
Not surprisingly ,they are noticed by their absence when it's shoulder to the wheel time but in the forefront when perks are in the offing !
Amen!
VM


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[itma]

I attend our county meetings , this is the platform for the individual branches ,this is where delegates gain incite into the general feeling of the membership! ...

Brilliant - if intentional!

 

[victor meldrew]

Brilliant - if intentional!

Damned predictive text


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[itma]

One of the questions that has to be asked is what value the county associations bring to the party...

As VM indicates, it is a very useful "cutout" keeping ordinary members well away from any decisions.

The County sends a single delegate to the Annual Delegates Meeting.
That person is supposedly chosen by the branches' delegates to County meetings.
The branches' delegates are usually chosen by the branch committee, and the committee members, just like the branches' delegate and the County delegate, are "the usual suspects".

Democracy is delegated.

Has your association's delegate ever actually asked you for your opinions on any of the ADM business?