- Jul 30, 2019
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- Titterstone clee South Shropshire
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Talking of putting supers on well in advance my colonys that are on 14x12s haven't swarmed and had two supers added when the spring flows arrived it worked really well .not always. Supers put on early enough not when they're nearly full helps a lot as well as the occasional rotation of frames to ensure the queen finds the unused space. Leaving a frame (even of drawn foundation) at the very edge of the brood sometimes ensure it gets ignored.
I had a queen once who used to lay wall to wall brood in all eleven frames, never once found them preparing to swarm.
Do you think Steve, as each year is different for forage this also has an impact on the way queen's lay. ( I'm answering my own question by the looks)If you keep your queens for three or four years, you will find quite a few of them behave differently each season.
I've a three year old Amm that's never attempted to swarm, happy enough in a single brood but put her on Demarree this year for her genetics.
Another two four year old queens (sisters) one attempted on year one but nothing since and the other showed no signs until this season, when her usual eight frame brood nest expanded dramatically. Certainly not showing signs of slowing down.
Good combs of nicely drawn cells makes a difference, I've seen some double brood hives where if the rubbish frames with holes in, half eaten, parts of the foundation not drawn etc, were thrown away, the usable combs for laying would fit in a single.
Yes, my number 5 queen line, happens to be the first queen I ever bought in..
I can't imagine trying to keep a colony on a single brood box all season without having to Demarree or splitting or taking nucs.
Do you still have the genes of that queen jbm?
I never see an arch in the first super in my double broods.I doubt the issue is solely one of lack of space for laying. I think it is natural for the bees to assume the first super is an extension of the brood area and as they like to extend the brood nest upward rather than sideways they leave an arc empty , followed by an arc of pollen
It’s probably about half full of honey.If they're filling up the super nearest the brood, how much space for honey is there in the others?
I'd shuffle the super frames, capped outside uncapped centre. As they are now using that deep comb, I'd also put the excluder under both supers, she should have ample room in the brood box now IMO.It’s probably about half full of honey.
Should I be adding another super on top of that one? Don’t want to overload them. They have done incredibly well, given that they arrived as a small swarm at the beginning of June.
She got there in the end!Had a look today. The brood box is still wall to wall brood and packed with bees on all frames. The queen has now started laying in the super under the excluder too. It’s now half full of bees. Think she will need a double brood box next year.
Shuffled the frames in the super above the excluder to even out the honey storage. This one is half full of bees too.