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Thanks for the reply ... But at that price (£1,400) it is way over my budget..
These people have some good small burners that will easily heat the space you have. I have a miniburner in my 20' x 20' workshop that is tiny and it is more than adequate.

https://economicalheating.co.uk/
Good value by the looks of it.
 
These people have some good small burners that will easily heat the space you have. I have a miniburner in my 20' x 20' workshop that is tiny and it is more than adequate.

https://economicalheating.co.uk/
Good value by the looks of it.
Thank you mate... I.ve been looking at those stoves... Only worry I have with them is if they will rust with the dampness in the garage
 
Thank you mate... I.ve been looking at those stoves... Only worry I have with them is if they will rust with the dampness in the garage
They are usually painted with black heat resistant paint . Mine in the workshop is still mostly black five years in at least... just odd spots of rust where it has been bashed about by me... to be honest even if they do rust a bit a wire brush and a going over with stove black should sort it.
 
They are usually painted with black heat resistant paint . Mine in the workshop is still mostly black five years in at least... just odd spots of rust where it has been bashed about by me... to be honest even if they do rust a bit a wire brush and a going over with stove black should sort it.
Zebo black grate polish will keep it pristine!
 
Zebo... one of those brands that have passed into history ...it was the goto for the regular maintenamce of our range in the 1950's. The nearest you can buy now is Stovax ....
 
Zebo... one of those brands that have passed into history ...it was the goto for the regular maintenamce of our range in the 1950's. The nearest you can buy now is Stovax ....
always loads of it in our shop, known as 'Black lead' here, the first flat my brother had in London had an old victorian grate tucked away behind a false bulkhead and I remember, every time he came home there was always a trip down to Williams Bazaar in Amanford (if we haven't got it - you don't need it) to pick up a few tubes of zebo - we also sold little sachets of 'Blewe' (as it was called around here) on the laundry shelf. my grandmother recalls that as a nipper when they still lived up 'over the fields' there was an episode when I got hold of the blacklead. And I think it was my brother who found and opened a twist of Blewe and stayed the colour of a leaking biro for weeks. I was just fascinated with the damned stuff.
 
It won't rust enough to harm it. You'll always be able to wire brush it and black it again if you want it to look nice. If your garage is well vented it will barely rust at all; if sealed and warmed from time to time never.

I would think about insulation first. How big is your shed? You could invest in some celotex and a second-hand double-glazed door and window, and a small electric fan heater will be fine. That's what my 4m square office is. My kitchen is less insulated, and a lightly rusted woodstove (bought that way) quickly gets it toasty in any weather. Don't fret, don't try to work in cold conditions: do some costing and get it warm. You won't regret it.
 
always loads of it in our shop, known as 'Black lead' here, the first flat my brother had in London had an old victorian grate tucked away behind a false bulkhead and I remember, every time he came home there was always a trip down to Williams Bazaar in Amanford (if we haven't got it - you don't need it) to pick up a few tubes of zebo - we also sold little sachets of 'Blewe' (as it was called around here) on the laundry shelf. my grandmother recalls that as a nipper when they still lived up 'over the fields' there was an episode when I got hold of the blacklead. And I think it was my brother who found and opened a twist of Blewe and stayed the colour of a leaking biro for weeks. I was just fascinated with the damned stuff.
It's probably banned on health and safety grounds now !

https://www.avenuesupplies.co.uk/index.php?pid=1490&sid=1
The current versions are not patch on the real stuff. Apparently much less graphite content.

I can see a nice little earner here ... Beezo Grate Polish ... Anyone living near Seathwaite Fell, Borrowdale, Keswick that could nip along and dig me up a couple of kilos ?
 
Black lead hereabouts is sister to red lead - both were/are paints. I once used some sort of authentic black lead paint, made with linseed oil. It literally didn't dry! Painted miles of cast iron guttering, then couldn't fit it! Eventually we got fed up and fitted it anyway. I wouldn't paint a woodstove with it!
 
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Black lead hereabouts is sister to red lead - both were/are paints. I once used some sort of authentic black lead paint, made with linseed oil. It literally didn't dry! Painted miles of cast iron guttering, then couldn't fit it! Eventually we got fed up and fitted it anyway. I wouldn't paint a woodstove with it!
Black leading was what we called polishing the range when I was a kid ... but it wasn't lead - it was graphite - the same stuff that is found in lead pencils ... which, of course, are not lead at all - they are graphite.

Black lead paint used to be sold, but it's not a sister to Red lead paint - it's actually a black paint intended to coat lead flashings to make them look black and stick to the lead, but it is actually a bitumen paint - which is probably why it never set for you. It was also used for painting the insides of timber gutterings which are still common in yorkshire - my son's house in Sheffield has them and looked after they will last 50+ years.

White lead paint has lead plumbate in the paint and Red lead paint has Lead Tetroxide in it as the pigments but the inherent dangers of lead, even in small quantities, has led to them being banned from use in most countries.
 
Interesting, thanks.
Black leading was what we called polishing the range when I was a kid ... but it wasn't lead - it was graphite - the same stuff that is found in lead pencils ... which, of course, are not lead at all - they are graphite.

Black lead paint used to be sold, but it's not a sister to Red lead paint - it's actually a black paint intended to coat lead flashings to make them look black and stick to the lead, but it is actually a bitumen paint - which is probably why it never set for you. It was also used for painting the insides of timber gutterings which are still common in yorkshire - my son's house in Sheffield has them and looked after they will last 50+ years.

White lead paint has lead plumbate in the paint and Red lead paint has Lead Tetroxide in it as the pigments but the inherent dangers of lead, even in small quantities, has led to them being banned from use in most countries.
Interesting, thanks. I'd never heard of white lead paint. 'Red lead' for metalwork can still be bought, but perhaps they've taken out the naughty stuff. I have some in the ws, I'll look later.
We were sold black lead paint by a company specialising in traditional materials for conservation work. I don't recall if I ever asked if it was suitable for gutters, or just assumed it would be. I don't recall it smelling of bitumen, but then again I don't recall it smelling of linseed either - this was 30 odd years ago.
 
it wasn't lead - it was graphite - the same stuff that is found in lead pencils ... which, of course, are not lead at all - they are graphite.
My grandfather and others of his generation I knew always called a pencil a 'blacklead'
 
Hi,

I would also strongly suggest to look if the new stove had to be installed by HETAS engineers, the legislation has changed for any stoves installed in 2023. Also the monoxide alarm is strongly advised as this is not something you want to take a risk. Are you looking to install log burner or a multistove? If you are looking to use this throughout the winter smokeless coal maybe an option. What is the purpose of the stove in the garage (i.e heat source / recreational use etc) ? If the insulation is not great you may want to consider stoves that are bigger than 5kwh.

I agree with the previous comments do not go for a cheap Chinese stoves. There is plenty to select from British manufacturers like Hunter, Stovax, ACR etc.
 
Hi,

I would also strongly suggest to look if the new stove had to be installed by HETAS engineers, the legislation has changed for any stoves installed in 2023. Also the monoxide alarm is strongly advised as this is not something you want to take a risk. Are you looking to install log burner or a multistove? If you are looking to use this throughout the winter smokeless coal maybe an option. What is the purpose of the stove in the garage (i.e heat source / recreational use etc) ? If the insulation is not great you may want to consider stoves that are bigger than 5kwh.

I agree with the previous comments do not go for a cheap Chinese stoves. There is plenty to select from British manufacturers like Hunter, Stovax, ACR etc.
Sheds probably don't fall under building regulations, in which case such regulations don't apply.

Until quite recently most houses were heated by open fireplaces and most cooking done on combustion burners. We still burn gas in our cookers (and making a roast for 4 people can be pretty gas-intensive) and we use catalytic gas heaters anytime we choose. The only time I've ever heard of anyone being poisoned by carbon monoxide was in foreign holiday flats with poorly maintained flues - while they slept.

A woodstove needs air to burn - that means air is being drawn into the room. Much more is drawn in to go up the chimney. Unless your room is all but hermetically sealed (in which case the stove will smoke copiously as soon as you light it) there isn't going to be a CO problem.

Google says 40 people die in the Uk every year from CO poisoning from all sources.

I make that a 1 in 1 1/2 million chance of you being killed by any sources, and we can probably multiply that by at least 5 or 6 if we want to narrow it down to woodstoves.

I might be wrong, but in my opinion this is waaay out of proportion, until and unless you burn one in a hermetically sealed room AND take a long snooze...
 
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The only time I've ever heard of anyone being poisoned by carbon monoxide was in foreign holiday flats with poorly maintained flues
I can think of a few locally, remember my Godfather having to make coffins for a whole family who died from carbon monoxide poisoning from a heater (not many 'off the shelf' boxes stocked in children's sizes) and our neighbour when I was a kid, buried both his parents who died of carbon monoxide poisoning in their sleep.
 
probable occurrence verses potential outcome. low likelihood for the activity to occur, but good chance of a serious outcome if it does. For the sake of a tenner for the cheapest CO detector, I reckon that's a good spend to protect against a colourless, poisonous, odorless, tasteless, flammable gas. For every person who dies there are significant numbers poisoned each year.

From the US based CDC website Each year, more than 400 Americans die from unintentional CO poisoning not linked to fires*, more than 20,000 visit the emergency room, and more than 4,000 are hospitalized.

* as in unintentional building fires rather than for domestic heating etc.
 
@Beesnaturally apologies I did not meant to challenge you on your choice to install the log burner in the shed. 'Jedum das sein' (German - ' to each their own' ) I recently installed a couple multistoves in the house so spent some time understanding the recent HETAS and building regulations. The log burner is an active stove that can easily get to 500f and should be treated with respect. Luckily there is very few accidents in the UK with the carbon dioxide poisoning and log burner fires, but all of these could have been avoided if some basic health and safety and regulations were followed. Correct distance to the combustibles and smoke/monoxide alarms are little investments that can save your live.

What is the purpose of the log burner in the shed? If there is a lot of draft, I assume the installation will be very poor, so it will be expensive to heat with the wood, so multistove maybe a better option
 
@Beesnaturally apologies I did not meant to challenge you on your choice to install the log burner in the shed. 'Jedum das sein' (German - ' to each their own' ) I recently installed a couple multistoves in the house so spent some time understanding the recent HETAS and building regulations. The log burner is an active stove that can easily get to 500f and should be treated with respect. Luckily there is very few accidents in the UK with the carbon dioxide poisoning and log burner fires, but all of these could have been avoided if some basic health and safety and regulations were followed. Correct distance to the combustibles and smoke/monoxide alarms are little investments that can save your live.

What is the purpose of the log burner in the shed? If there is a lot of draft, I assume the installation will be very poor, so it will be expensive to heat with the wood, so multistove maybe a better option
Its ok, it isn't my shed or my question, those belong to Bryang :) I'm just sticking my oar in! I've had woodstoves since the early 80's, always fitted my own, and even worked for a company fitting stoves and lining chimneys for a couple of years. I confess I can be a bit blasé about safety, but I suppose that's because I have a pretty good idea of what can happen and how to avoid it. I've never owned a remotely draft-proof house or workshop so CO has never been an issue. I relied on one completely while overwintering in an old caravan a few years ago, which I fitted a thermostatically controlled air feed too. That wasn't draft-proof either - caravan manufacturers I think make sure of that.

You are right to point up distance from combustibles. A sheet of superlux works well against a vulnerable wooden wall.
 

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