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[Hivemaker.]

What more could you wish for.....global village society,all end up the same colour eventually.

 

[fincaazul]

What more could you wish for.....global village society,all end up the same colour eventually.

Sadly yes, with all the imperfections and new diseases that the indigenous population has no resistance against. The common cold and 'flu virus wiped out many South American tribes, causing the loss of civilisations which had survived for many thousands of years, along with their unique knowledge. We now seem to be perpetuating this slaughter, albeit on a seemingly lesser scale by importing bees from far and wide to improve? our bees. So we now have nosema ceranae, varroa in three different forms, threat of hive beetle, Amrican foul brood. yes I know it's not new but didn't come from England. We have created the problems by importing bees, and it is now costly for beekeepers to manage these problems. Perhaps by prohibiting any further imports of bees and Queens we may be given a 'breathing space' and the time to manage and hopefully minimise the problems which we have brought on ourselves. If you disagree then pour some Oxalic Acid onto your hands since this is what we expect the bees to endure.

 

[oliver90owner]

You included, quote: Amrican foul brood

Do you include stopping importation of honey too? I would say most AFB outbreaks are attributable to imported (contaminated) honey.

 

[Black Comb]

Sadly yes, with all the imperfections and new diseases that the indigenous population has no resistance against. The common cold and 'flu virus wiped out many South American tribes, causing the loss of civilisations which had survived for many thousands of years, along with their unique knowledge. We now seem to be perpetuating this slaughter, albeit on a seemingly lesser scale by importing bees from far and wide to improve? our bees. So we now have nosema ceranae, varroa in three different forms, threat of hive beetle, Amrican foul brood. yes I know it's not new but didn't come from England. We have created the problems by importing bees, and it is now costly for beekeepers to manage these problems. Perhaps by prohibiting any further imports of bees and Queens we may be given a 'breathing space' and the time to manage and hopefully minimise the problems which we have brought on ourselves. If you disagree then pour some Oxalic Acid onto your hands since this is what we expect the bees to endure.

Which subspecies are your queens?

 

[Hivemaker.]

If you disagree then pour some Oxalic Acid onto your hands since this is what we expect the bees to endure.

So anyone who does not agree with your views needs to pour oxalic acid over there hands. You sure your wired up right,i would not even pour that over my bee's.

 

[oliver90owner]

So anyone who does not agree with your views needs to pour oxalic acid over there hands. You sure your wired up right,i would not even pour that over my bee's.



Regards, RAB

 

[Mike a]

oxalic acid - Don't use it and have no intention of ever starting even if its the last product on the shelf.

 

[Skyhook]

oxalic acid - Don't use it and have no intention of ever starting even if its the last product on the shelf.

(and Hivemaker, and Oliver90owner)

Just to go off at a tangent-do you use something else, or do you not incorporate a winter treatment into your regimes?

Why is there always more to know?

 

[oliver90owner]

I do happen to have it, have used it, and would use it - if deemed necessary. I just try to avoid it if possible. Perhaps not as 'anti' as hivemaker and Mike a, but I would not wish my better queens (those I may wish to breed from) to be dosed with it every winter.

Regards, RAB

 

[kazmcc]

Eeeek! I've just had the plan given me of what we are going to do with the bees and mid winter they will be treated with Oxalic Acid New thread I think, sorry fincaazul, don't mean to hijack.

 

[fincaazul]

You included, quote: Amrican foul brood

Do you include stopping importation of honey too? I would say most AFB outbreaks are attributable to imported (contaminated) honey.

So you feed your bees imported honey?

 

[fincaazul]

I do happen to have it, have used it, and would use it - if deemed necessary. I just try to avoid it if possible. Perhaps not as 'anti' as hivemaker and Mike a, but I would not wish my better queens (those I may wish to breed from) to be dosed with it every winter.

Regards, RAB

Didn't know so many Sun & News Of The World journalists were on the forum. I was not stating an opinion or asking anyone to agree or disagree with me but trying to point out that transposing animals has created the problems. In Africa Europeans rejected local cattle breeds in favour of European stock and soon discovered the devastating problems of tsetse fly. The problems are with us now, let's hope we overcome them.

 

[DulwichGnome]

AFB infection - analysis of spread and possible risk locations

So you feed your bees imported honey?

https://secure.fera.defra.gov.uk/beebase/downloadNews.cfm?id=74

"three of the 29 locations potentially associated with clusters of infection showed a consistent association with diseased apiaries over time. These results suggest that apiary proximity to some commercial importers of honey or some sites used for the disposal of used honey barrels could be a risk factor for disease."

Also dumping contaminated unwashed honey jars in land fills has put forward as a way of bees being infected.

 

[Black Comb]

So what subspecies of bees are do you have?

 

[oliver90owner]

So you feed your bees imported honey?

I will decline to answer that question on the grounds that you are simply trolling.

The only thing you seem adept at, is trying to distort the facts - or maybe you are not able to read properly?


For the benefit of others reading this here is what I WROTE: "I would say most AFB outbreaks are attributable to imported (contaminated) honey."

If anyone else can see any connection to that, in the response above, please feel free to post.

RAB

 

[BKF Admin]

So you feed your bees imported honey?

I will decline to answer that question on the grounds that you are simply trolling.

RAB

If members try to get their point of view across without rubbing up other members then they will get better replies and help.

 

[johna]

Isn't it interesting how these threads quickly degenerate into all sorts of rubbish totally unrelated to the original post.Surely better and more informative to stick to the point particularly for our new "beeks".Too many members trying to score points off each other.Perhaps we should start a new thread entitled "GRIPING".

 

[RoofTops]

The imported honey source of AFB is pretty well established I think. The other sources are a few fairly large scale beekeepers who struggle to rid their bees of the disease and it keeps coming back after a year or two's respite.

But what's all this problem over oxalic acid? I know a beefarmer in Finland with over 2,000 colonies and the only varroa treatment he uses is an oxalic acid/sugar syrup trickle in mid-winter. He does no other treatments at any other time of the year and has healthy bees and gets huge honey crops.

This regime probably only works in Finland due to the long broodless period in winter and short summer so wouldn't work here I suspect. But the point is the bees come to no detectable harm as a result of the treatment. The bees will suffer much more from the untreated varroa given that most of our summer treatments are less effective than were the original synthetic pyrethroids before resistance built up.

 

[fincaazul]

If you disagree then pour some Oxalic Acid onto your hands since this is what we expect the bees to endure.

So anyone who does not agree with your views needs to pour oxalic acid over there hands. You sure your wired up right,i would not even pour that over my bee's.

no, but at least I can spell. I'm sure you are a great guy who enjoys a good pint and a natter, if youare near Brum perhaps we could have a drink sometime.

 

[Hivemaker.]

Not ever likely to be in Brum Finc.....to over populated for me...and i don't drink,well not alcohol.....did i spell that RYTE,so you could understand it.
But if your ever down this way perhaps we could sit up on the moors, and drink some bog water.