Wild Bees in the garden.

[user 20297]

Well Seeley did, because he looked in at them.

...but he didn't check @Erichalfbee 's bees. Regardless, the second point I made still stands.

 

[Patrick1]

I read Tom Seeley’s books and listened to the lectures and he advocates the best hight for catching swarms is around 5mts, nothing to do with varroa. The box against the tree just confirms this.

A friend of mine puts one on a flat roof every year she catches a swarm or two.

 

[user 20297]

Well Seeley did, because he looked in at them.

But actually I did say as high as any other colony.

I don't think you did and neither did I.

 

[Curly green finger's]

I run mainly Nationals and these get weekly inspections in season and two specific disease inspections a year.
I also run a Warre and TBH, which I mainly let do their own thing.
Am I an irresponsible " bee haver "?

I have a pet colony on the common on there own in a 14x12 they have been there 3 years, no treatment or real intervention from me, am I a bee haver?
Some might say that bees can cope with varroa better being in a well insulated closed of hive or tree as Philip says.
Walking around woodland on the southshropshire hills I've counted half a dozen ferel colonys so far and noted them on a map, also near my apiarys I've caught 3 colonys so far that are from the trees or local wild stock yet to finish assessment.
Who knows how many there are around maybe in years to come I will get to walk all over if my feet don't give in and I don't get pxxxxx of opening gates.

 

[Boston Bees]

Some might say that bees can cope with varroa better being in a well insulated closed of hive or tree as Philip says.

Seeley's research (perhaps flawed, but it's all we really have) suggested that feral colonies in trees had high levels of varroa and coped with this by repeatedly swarming (thus conferring the benefit of a brood break, and allowing for the overall number of colonies to remain the same despite regular colony deaths due to varroa). Whether this counts as coping is of course another issue.

Certainly the tree colony near me used to throw out at least 3 swarms per year, based on what I collected from the adjacent hedge!

Sadly it finally died last summer after 4 or 5 years of existence. I saw last week that a new colony had moved in.

 

[jenkinsbrynmair]

Seeley's research (perhaps flawed, but it's all we really have) suggested that feral colonies in trees had high levels of varroa and coped with this by repeatedly swarming

In the talk which he gave at the UBKA convention last year his talk on his return to the Arnot forest, he said the opposite:
all the surviving colonies had varroa - but low mite counts
Although the number of queen lineages was down to 3 from 23 in 1997 there was no loss of genetic diversity.
The 2011 bees were slightly smaller than the 1977 bees
The average cell size in these colonies was 5.2mm which tends to rubbish the 'small cell' zealot's claim it should be 4.9mm (but at least it affords Big T's a nice little earner catering to the gullible)
the colonies were smaller too with fewer brood cells.
But yes, they did swarm more.

 

[Erichalfbee]

Well yesterday bees poured out of the top hole and just funnelled into the bottom one. Perhaps they will try again another day or maybe it was a previously unseen wild bee behaviour phenomenon?

 

[OldFarm]

What does Seeley say about keeping bees at 5m plus?
Apart from that they have as high levels of varroa as any other colony even if the tree they are 5m up in is in the middle of nowhere.

I recall that Seeley reported that the colonies with a high varroa load did not survive. There were colonies in the area with a low varroa level, presumably because of the bees behaviour, that survived, flourished and re-populated the area.

 

[jenkinsbrynmair]

I recall that Seeley reported that the colonies with a high varroa load did not survive. There were colonies in the area with a low varroa level, presumably because of the bees behaviour, that survived, flourished and re-populated the area.

85% colony mortality between 1977 and 2011

 

[pargyle]

Well yesterday bees poured out of the top hole and just funnelled into the bottom one. Perhaps they will try again another day or maybe it was a previously unseen wild bee behaviour phenomenon?

Ahh ... that will be the little known and rarely witnessed top entrance to bottom entrance practice swarm ... I have a device (very inexpensive and availlable by post) that will put a stop to that ...

 

[Erichalfbee]

Ahh ... that will be the little known and rarely witnessed top entrance to bottom entrance practice swarm ... I have a device (very inexpensive and availlable by post) that will put a stop to that ...

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Can I have two please?

 

[pargyle]

Can I have two please?

Yes ...that will definitely stop it happening !

 

[Erichalfbee]

Yes ...that will definitely stop it happening !

Exactly.

 

[BugsInABox]

Ahh ... that will be the little known and rarely witnessed top entrance to bottom entrance practice swarm ... I have a device (very inexpensive and availlable by post) that will put a stop to that ...

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Would you add a turned handle for £4.50?

 

[pargyle]

Would you add a turned handle for £4.50?

For £4.50 you can have a hand turned HARDWOOD handle .... with beads and coves ....

 

[BugsInABox]

For £4.50 you can have a hand turned HARDWOOD handle .... with beads and coves ....

Bargain

 

[user 20297]

Ahh ... that will be the little known and rarely witnessed top entrance to bottom entrance practice swarm ... I have a device (very inexpensive and availlable by post) that will put a stop to that ...

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I can think of a lot of places where that bung would be useful in beekeeping....mainly to be used on beekeepers.

 

[Erichalfbee]

I can think of a lot of places where that bung would be useful in beekeeping....mainly to be used on beekeepers.

Now now. This is a family friendly forum

 

[user 20297]

Now now. This is a family friendly forum

I meant to say " mainly to be used on beekeeper's smokers."....a slip of the keyboard1

 

[pargyle]

I meant to say " mainly to be used on beekeeper's smokers."....a slip of the keyboard1

Funnily enough ... I turned a bung for my smoker - I'll get a photo of it and put it up ...