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it's not about making me 'happy' (whatever that means) it's about putting out reliable, factual statements, especially on a forum where new beekeepers glean a lot of their information.
regards, Tony

New beekeepers also write posts, are you expecting each and every post to be reliable and factual ?
If we were all right all of the time there would be no debate and it would be a boring place - I for one have only ever noticed bees shitting in the hive when they're ill.
 
I would say it is loads of pollen that have fallen through the floor and got wet - even at this time of year, a full hive can cause a fair bit of condensation on the removable floor.

And on to the argument, it is true that healthy bees don't pooh in their hives. Though it has to be said, I've not got CCTV inside the hives. There may be a group of drones on "dirty protest" laying a big Mr Whippy in all the uncapped calls. Unhealthy bees do pooh all over the place, so at the end of the day, you're both right.
 
Rae you are correct and had I used your word 'healthy' they would have nothing to gripe about. As in 'Healthy bees are very clean and will only vent outside the hive.'

However as we say in Ireland, 'He who wishes to sing, will always find a song.'

Seems to be true of a couple of nit-pickers here.
 
it's not about making me 'happy' (whatever that means) it's about putting out reliable, factual statements, especially on a forum where new beekeepers glean a lot of their information.
regards, Tony

Tonybloke,

We are not in a bloody court of law here. I understood what the poster meant without the clarification.

It is also clear to me that Oliver deliberately worded his post to p*ss off Huntsman - either that or he needs to take some lessons in emotional intelligence from Gordon Brown.
 
Well answer this Tony, do bees **** in the hive and if so, where are the toilets?

Huntsman dont push your luck..
You are on borrowed time if you dont calm down.

This is a family forum and your posts need to be considered before hitting the "submit reply" button

Admin.
 
Cor Blimey you lot like a fight.

I just want to say to the original poster who has decided to put something in to stop bees getting in under the OMF. You did not say why you had the insert in. If it was because you are using Apiguard or Apilifevar the gap above the varoa insert should be blocked anyway for the treatment to work. I have also been told to block the gap when feeding syrup to keep robbers out though I am not sure how they were supposed to get through.

Normally you would not block the gap up because the point of an OMF is to allow ventilation. Most of the time the tray would be out. Apologies if you knew this anyway but thought I would mention it in case.
 
Lets coolly analyse the start of this.

Post #2 A guess it is pollen from Huntsman

More discussion until post#14 whem MM made a sensible suggestion that it could be signs of nosema.

Post 16 - the contentious one

Not this, not that, and (by inference) not nosema, cos bees never (I will change the wording this time) defaecate inside the hive, back to tunnelling bees and pollen.

I chipped in at post #19.

I simply explained that it could well be bee poo if there were a nosema problem. This simply reinforced the need for some urgent action, if indeed this turned out to be true.

I did not say it was, but I did point out the pertinent facts (which had been so clearly obscured in post #16, where any possibility of the problem being nosema was effectively pooh-poohed).

There have been other threads, lately, where hives have been splattered on the outside per eg. This is not usually a problem associated with this part of the season, but would need definite treatment for the colony to survive the winter, if this were to be the case here. A check for nosema should by now have been carried out, instead of this prattle from untsman.

He could have said 'you are right', but no, it is suddenly someone attacking him personally, not what he wrote (which was the actual facts of the matter), which was clearly wrong.

I would hope it is not nosema causing some splattering inside the hive, but this was a possibility, and needed checking - the OP would not want a winter dead-out. A simple check at this time could well save the colony if this were the reason for the unknown 'splodges'. Deidely stupid to ignore the possibility, if the spashes or whatever remain unidentified.

Giving out rubbish information seems to be a favourite of this person, who complains that he is being 'nit-picked' and that everybody would understand what he meant (ie bees can defaecate in the hive - and if they do it can be a serious disease infection). Everyone needs to know that whatever he posts he means something different. Great!

Unfortunately, not true. New beeks will be misled, misinformed and led astray. Colonies may die because of this misinformation.

Unfortunately his ego seems to have been bent, he has been shown as contemptuous of the correct information being supplied, as a correction to his own misguiding 'advice' (post #16).

When his glaring errors are highlighted, he reverts to his claim of being bullied, nit-picked, attacked, etc. I don't think I have called him any names, only responded to his threats (veiled, or otherwise)

Look at post#20 : We were cosidering normal venting as a possible answer.

I certainly was not. I was considering a possible serious problem for the OP, I could not care a jot about those who were not considering the possible outcomes - likethe potential death of the colony.

I would hope that it is in fact 'moulded' pollen cleaned from the frame, but if the possibility of a serious infection is going to bee discounted, then I will post. I posted my reasoning and clearly stated the risks if it were, and that it is unusual at this time of the year. I think I was was clear and complete in my warning, short of instructing the OP to get them tested.

Now, several pages later, we still have this particular poster arguing that bees never defaecate inside the hive. Amazing. About time he shut up, is my thought on the matter. I was always told that 'when in a hole, to stop digging'.

I had not even considered the queen a pupal remains after emergence. Of course, these would be further infecting the colony, if it were nosemic.
 
Drones will also deficate within the hive,(a healty hive),but the workers clean it up.
 
Drones will also deficate within the hive,(a healty hive),

WOW! That makes even more mincemeat of that claim at post #16.

We can all keep learning if we keep an open mind. I was minded that drones would be fed a low protein (high carbohydrate) feed by the workers, and would not produce a lot of waste. That sort of behaviour probably rightly gets them evicted at this time of the year!

Regards, RAB
 
:iagree:

We can all keep learning if we keep an open mind.

The mind is like a parachute it works best when open.

LOL.

ZZ

;)
 
IF it was a bee poo produced by a bee infected with nosema there would be nosema spores in it and you could have a look at it on a slide? Similarly if it was pollen that would be self evident?
 
Erichalfbee,

Agreed. A fairly simple procedure to check out the substance.

Those of us with a microscope (or two) would likely do that, if they were concerned but not sure what the spots were. But those are likely the people who would recognise other signs and symptoms and use those, to corroborate any suspicions.

The problem with this thread is now not so much the topic concerned but the misinformation given out - and still being touted (by some) as correct.

Regards, RAB
 
As a new bee keeper and forum member I do find a lot of usefull information on here, you guys teach me alot. On any given question or subject the information varies quite a bit and I use my judgement (yet to be experience) as to what seems to be the logical answer / reason. I tend to read through the lines a bit at times, ignore the bad grammar and spelling (he who casts and all that) and look at the content and concensus of opinion and go from there.
I have found that many of the issues / questions / observations dont effect me yet but probably will one day, when that day comes I tend to remember what I think I should do and learn by the experience of doing it, if it fails I maybe try something different , not necessary wrong but different.
I like to think of this as me gaining experience. The questions I have posted in the past have had mixed answers but there is normally a theme that I can pick up on and go with, and do.
I have just read through 70 odd posts to gain some knowledge about brown deposits and I have to say if I as a complete new comer I think I would of gone elsewhere.
Good argument I love and when I feel experienced enough I may join in but it will only be my version of what I believe and what works for me.
I wish you guys would learn a bit of tolerance and understanding and just sift through what you feel is nonesense and comment in a non inflamatory way as it would make this a better place for learning and sharing information about our bee keeping.
As for the brown stuff........
Here's a question..... what do bees who cant fly (too young or deformed wings etc) do ?
I will of course sift your answers till I find one I like !
Ha ha lighten up

Pete
 
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ericA that seems to be a great and very logical idea, I certainly wouldn't have considered that course of action if we had the same problem, but I would now.

Time to get the books out and dust off my sons microscope :)
 
what do bees who cant fly

They can at about 4 days old. Not a lot (like none) of indigestibles go through the metamorphosis process (thats why there is poo to be cleaned out of the coccoons).

Deformed winged bees probably do not survive long enough to worry about it.

RAB
 

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