Varoa Mite Drop

[The Cumbrian]

Is that a Finnish proverb?
An office of speech and language therapists has just spent 5 minutes discussing this.
Cazza

Not quite sure what you are getting at. I understood what he meant. His English is very probably better than your Finnish.

You don't seem to be taking into account he is writing in a language which isn't his first language.

 

[itma]

Not quite sure what you are getting at. I understood what he meant. His English is very probably better than your Finnish.

You don't seem to be taking into account he is writing in a language which isn't his first language.

I think it was an absolutely genuine question, without sarcasm.
'Figures of speech' do have interesting national traits.

I, for one, really do greatly appreciate Finman's efforts, even when I think he isn't taking enough account of the difference in our climates!

 

[Skyhook]

I think it was an absolutely genuine question, without sarcasm.
'Figures of speech' do have interesting national traits.

Transliterations can be fascinating. Finman's 'spoon' makes a lot more sense than the 'two penn'orth' I used earlier.

 

[Finman]

Transliterations can be fascinating. Finman's 'spoon' makes a lot more sense than the 'two penn'orth' I used earlier.

translating is not enough to move an idea from country to country. First you must know boath languages and then the writing should be thinked with local style to speak.

For example, if children's fairy tales are "translated" merely the order of words are odd to a shild.

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we use much sayings which are from rural environment. "you have your own cow in the ditch" means that you have own hidden interest to carry out in common issue.

In Finland over 50% of employers were in farm works 50 years ago. At same time in England over 50% of jobs were in industrial production.

 

[Finman]

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But heh heh. If I give to your English language link to varroa researches, you are not able to read them. I wonder why? You prefer to invent your own tricks. .... That is amazing!

European Union Varroa Group has made a great job in varroa issue. Very seldom it is used in this forum.

Second, I do not account your climate. How could I? The information comes for example from Italian professor Nanetti. You like to think that is my "opinion".

 

[jenkinsbrynmair]

I think it was an absolutely genuine question, without sarcasm.
'Figures of speech' do have interesting national traits.

I, for one, really do greatly appreciate Finman's efforts!

language is great - for instance:
If you something tongue in cheek in Welsh you say you have a hair on your tongue or if you take the English for a perfectly innocent bit of iron covering a hole in the road - manhole. and translate it word for word into Welsh it becomes an apt description of a certain Franco Irish referee (Ar**e hole)

 

[Cazza]

Not quite sure what you are getting at. I understood what he meant. His English is very probably better than your Finnish.

You don't seem to be taking into account he is writing in a language which isn't his first language.

Hi Cumbrian
ITMA and JBM were spot on. I was not having a poke but was genuinly interested, I am a linguist by trade and work with idioms, metaphors and proverbs daily, hence the interest.

Thanks Finman, it's not a figure of speech used here, it's slightly in the "too many cooks spoil the broth" league but not quite.
Cazza

 

[jenkinsbrynmair]

Hi Cumbrian
ITMA and JBM were spot on. I was not having a poke but was genuinly interested, I am a linguist by trade and work with idioms, metaphors and proverbs daily, hence the interest.

Hi Cazza are you very clever or just c............ I'd better get my coat

 

[Cazza]

Hi Cazza are you very clever or just c............ I'd better get my coat

Just c............
Shame I can't spell "genuinely."
C

 

[oliver90owner]

"too many cooks spoil the broth" league but not quite.

Or the alternative "many hands make light work"?

There are usually conflicting versions to use as most appropriate.

Another is 'absence makes the heart grow fonder' and 'out of sight, out of mind'

RAB

 

[newportbuzz]

To be precise one named 'medicine' has only just been approved for use in Ireland. The label instructions give a dose of 61.6g of oxalic acid per litre of syrup (1 sugar to 1 water w/w).
Ruary

good point

 

[Finman]

Thanks Finman, it's not a figure of speech used here, it's slightly in the "too many cooks spoil the broth" league but not quite.
Cazza

that we have too, "mitä useampi kokki, sen huonompi soppa". " the more cooks, the worse soup".

But that spoon into soup is very different. It is like we say "he pushes his bill (nose) in every plase".

In soup case things is allready spoiled then comes one again....and not to help

 

[Finman]

To be precise one named 'medicine' has only just been approved for use in Ireland. The label instructions give a dose of 61.6g of oxalic acid per litre of syrup (1 sugar to 1 water w/w).
Ruary

special! Where they have got that measure?

The Swiss has 35 g OA to 1 litre syrup = 2,7%

The Irish is 5,8 % really!

The most known is 3,5% ( 7,5 g+100g water + 100g sugar = 0,16 litre)

in Italy often 4%

if you add syrup 1,6 instead of 1,0, do you get into prison in Ireland?

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[drstitson]

"The Swiss has 35 g OA to 1 litre syrup = 27%"

2.7% surely

 

[newportbuzz]

special! Where they have got that measure?

The Swiss has 35 g OA to 1 litre syrup = 27%

The Irish is 5,8 % really!

The most known is 3,5% ( 7,5 g+100g water + 100g sugar = 0,16 litre)

in Italy often 4%

if you add syrup 1,6 instead of 1,0, do you get into prison in Ireland?

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well i used oxylic last year and they havnt caught me yet.

that said maybe they were waiting for me to slip up like i just did.

i will go down with a fight.

 

[Arfermo]

"Dr Stitson seems to suggest above that only the trickle method is available. Not true. He also implies that it will harm eggs and uncapped larvae".

2 points:

1. most UK users i would imagine will be using the trickle method hence my emphasis.

2. my implication was that chilling the colony, however briefly, in the depths of winter, may lead to loss of any brood present. direct toxicity of the oxalic itself will likewise have a small effect.

re the alternative - i've no doubt the odd dose of oxalic acid vapour will be relatively harmless and also fairly effective BUT have been hearing reports of high summer losses of colonies that have bee treated every 3 days for 4-6 weeks.

I've never heard or read of anybody treating with oxalic "every 3 days for 4-6 weeks". Are you sure you have your facts right? Quite extraordinary and unwise if so inho. The greatest benefit of the evaporation method is that the hive is not opened at all so no chilling of the cluster at all. In my case I have a metal sheet that slides in the varroa tray slot which means I evaporate from under the OMF. Most stick the evaporator in through the entrance above the OMF and fry a few bees at the same time. As for the number of treatments, I sometimes do it twice 2 weeks apart depending upon the mite drop first time round.

 

[Spadaman]

I do not know where the proverb has born but it is here in common usage.

It means that the issue is allready meshy and then some outsider comes and starts to stir it.

A bit like Cameron and the Eurozone then !

oops ... sorry for bringing politics into this wonderful forum.

 

[drstitson]

Arfermo - here's a quote for you as an example:

"è da un mese preciso che a cadenza prima di 3/4 gg e ora di 6/7 gg sto trattando col sublimato...ma la stronza continua a cadere"

roughly translates as:

"After a month of treating with sublimation first every 3/4 days and now every 6/7 .... but the ******* keep falling"

can't find the previous post where someone mentioned 13 times.

 

[Finman]

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In internet you can find what ever stupid and wrong advices and are you going after them.
From Ireland I have not seen any sensible advices, and they speak about "law". Their ministry level advices have just taken from wrong sources. It make me think that the writer has no hives and he does not know what he is doing.

Hivemaker has made a fixed advice in this forum how trickling goes but how many want read it. Most want to invent his own recipe and moderator allows that. Moderator watch for swear words and caps lock using but not lethal advices.

One regret is that trickling kills brood. Yes, it has been said in every research.

A new British varroa booklet is meshy text. It is difficult to find out what to do with hives. Tens of pages. In Finland two pages tell, what beekeepers should do. There is no need to offer 20 different methods where a beginner try to select something proper.

Here beekeepers' average age is 58 years. To teach new things to that group is not easy.

Actually our advices are from European Varroa Group. Clear advices have given by DEFRA, but then 10 spoons have came from somewhere and mixed the whole issue.

 

[Teemore]

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In internet you can find what ever stupid and wrong advices and are you going after them.
From Ireland I have not seen any sensible advices, and they speak about "law". Their ministry level advices have just taken from wrong sources. It make me think that the writer has no hives and he does not know what he is doing.
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Actually our advices are from European Varroa Group. Clear advices have given by DEFRA, but then 10 spoons have came from somewhere and mixed the whole issue.

Since starting to work with bees I have met a number of beekeepers who are well read and well travelled in the world of beekeeping. They first encountered the use of oxalic acid as a varroa management technique a number of years ago and have been using it and Thymol (including ApiLifeVar) as elements of integrated pest managment. These beekeepers are North and South of the border and they were often pilloried by their peers about their use of oxalic and thymol. Strangely their management techniques are now being copied.... It is a sad indictment of some aspects of Irish beekeeping that the 'authorities' have been so slow to accept and adopt the use of oxalic in the face of international research.