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My first super is pretty full but not capped at all and I am unsure exactly when I should add the next one. Do I wait until it is mainly capped ? I have a filed of OSR coming into flower next door and so I am keen to get this right.
Advice woudl be much appreciated.
 
i super once there it is about half full, or there are loads of bees between the crownboard and roof. i would super your hive now
 
Super and put it under the one already being worked.

PH
 
I super under for this reason. Research showed, and no I do not have it to hand that having space above the brood nest stimulated the bees to gather more nectar. Further it simplifies taking off full supers. They are at the top and not underneath...

but each to their own.

PH
 
Put it on now, you may need a third soon with the Rape coming out and if the weather holds. After a while you will know when another super is required just by the way the bees react when you open the crown board, if they are on the top bars and there are white flecks of new wax then get the next super on.
Sometimes you need to put supers on to give room for the bees not just for honey.
 
I always top super,makes no difference to honey yield,less pollen in supers and much quicker when dealing with of hives,plus easy to see how full without moving all supers that are above first,simply remove roof and crown board.

From a previous post on this subject,plus link to reasearch.

ADDING SUPERS FOR EXTRACTED HONEY.
The actual operation is about the simplest in beekeeping: with the super ready on a stand beside the hive, remove the crown-board and put it over the supers; smoke once, put on the excluder, and lift the supers on top of it. Total time, about twenty seconds. If you are using a plain zinc excluder, you will have to scrape the tops of the brood-frames to allow it to lie flat—a job best done by firm smoking and one determined stroke per frame, rather than by many delicate strokes.

Estimating the right time and order for adding supers is more difficult; the advice used to be to super when the first crumbs of fresh white wax began to appear at the tops of the brood frames, but this is now reckoned as too late. Probably the stock is really only ready for supers when, on removing the cover-board (with only a whiff of smoke), you find bees at the top of the six middle frames.

The first super must, if possible , be of drawn combs and not foundation. Bees cannot draw out foundation until warm weather and plentiful nectar arrive, and if you insist on their doing so, will often swarm with ample room at their disposal – “room” which they cannot use.
It is now considered that the second, third and fourth supers may be added on top of the first and allowed to remain there. It is true that a super of foundation will be fully drawn faster if one puts it below the first super as soon as the bees have half-occupied it, but honey farmers say this is done at the expense of work in No.1 super, and that the overall work in a bock of supers is no better by this means than by “top supering”.

Snags:
Adding a cuper to early: the result is to drive the bees down from it, because of the loss of heat.

Putting a second super of foundation under the No.1 super without letting the bees start work on it in the upper position: this disheartens the bees and may cause swarming in the same way as giving foundation only in the No.1 super.

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Radcliff omits reference to pollen in supers which is a valid point that hivemaker makes. He also omits the benefit of top supering enabling quick checks with large numbers of supers (Hivemaker). I've got stocks on 7 supers that are quite happily in the top box drawing foundation.

The point about faster drawing when bottom supering (PolyHive) is mentioned but the caveat is that work in supers above is retarded as work commences in the new supers below and the risk is partially filled supers and consequent wasted space, especially when foundation is being drawn.

http://www.ent.uga.edu/bees/Publications/EffectsTopVsBottom.pdf

http://www.beekeepingforum.co.uk/showthread.php?p=66454#post66454
 
You've probably got the message now by everyone elses' replies, but definitely put the super on.

I use the 7 out of 10 rule, capped or otherwise.

As for under or over supering, I've tried it in the past in France and it made no difference (and apart from carrying baguettes, I can't see why French bees would be any different to English ones).

I'm not sure how big the rape field is, but I used to have a 10 acre sunflower field next to me and I was adding supers every week ... it would be interesting to measure the "fill velocity" of the field next to you (but then again, I'm a nerd and like my numbers!!!)
 
Admin, any chance of a sticky on top vs bottom supering?
 

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