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Too much stores in spring ....

Here we go again. What on earth has this got to do with autumn feeding? Precisely nothing. Once the format has been chosen, the box(es) should be fed to full. Nothing more and nothing less. Spring manipulations are for spring, not several months earlier, so the above was a totally irrelevant posting.
 
Because of the mild weather and heavy nectar flow from the ivy, still going on in some areas, they would have less work to do reducing the moisture/water content of thick syrup than they would the moisture/water content of thin ivy nectar.

Ivy finished weeks ago here, not many days when the bees are flying now.
 
Ivy finished weeks ago here, not many days when the bees are flying now.

About a third of the way through flowering here, bees very busy, late in many other places as well going by the ivy thread.
http://www.beekeepingforum.co.uk/showthread.php?t=35540

To the west of you in Wales the flow sounds to be quite heavy in the last few days... http://www.beekeepingforum.co.uk/showpost.php?p=508967&postcount=85

Out of interest how many weeks ago did the ivy finish flowering in Swansea, and when did it start flowering?
 
Ivy has done well here for the last two weeks but autumn has come crashing down and we have windy wet weather through till spring.....unless, of course the predicted Arctic winter arrives :)
 
November 7th and 15 degrees.

16C where I am and despite intermittent buckets of rain, flying in numbers at every opportunity and bringing in a lot of pollen and presumably nectar. Still concerned that the prolonged benign weather might prove to have had adverse results come spring.
 
About a third of the way through flowering here, bees very busy, late in many other places as well going by the ivy thread.
http://www.beekeepingforum.co.uk/showthread.php?t=35540

To the west of you in Wales the flow sounds to be quite heavy in the last few days... http://www.beekeepingforum.co.uk/showpost.php?p=508967&postcount=85

Out of interest how many weeks ago did the ivy finish flowering in Swansea, and when did it start flowering?
One apiary finished bringing it in about 4 weeks ago and the other which is higher up from sea level was about 2 weeks ago which. My first apiary I had the ivy was always 4 weeks later flowering than ivy on the Swansea coast
 
There are still loads of Ivy still tight in bud here, we did have a heavy flow a few weeks back, the bees were working like it was summer. Weather change this week for the worse, and next week does not look good either. (Cynon Valley, S. Wales).
 
Too much stores in spring ....

Here we go again. What on earth has this got to do with autumn feeding? Precisely nothing. Once the format has been chosen, the box(es) should be fed to full. Nothing more and nothing less. Spring manipulations are for spring, not several months earlier, so the above was a totally irrelevant posting.

I follow the principles of ITLD and he got no criticism from you. Why put it on just to take it off in spring? Not very good housekeeping in my book and some beeks sadly don't have the facilities to do that and leave all the sugar on resulting in the previous mentioned problems. People should learn to heft in my book and learn what the overwintering requirements are in their locale rather than listen to old dogma.
 
You would have to quote an ITLD's posts a lot better than just mentioning his name. Dummy down with insulation if boxes are too large, but filling the box full for the start of winter is the only sensible way to go. Only filling one half of a large box, so leaving empty space is what Finsky calls 'vain space'. Little wonder beeks lose colonies if they believe you.

I have often removed stores in the spring to give them more brooding space, but I would never start them off with only a part-filled box of stores in the autumn by design. Heating unnecessary space all winter is a rubbish situation for the bees.
 
You would have to quote an ITLD's posts a lot better than just mentioning his name. Dummy down with insulation if boxes are too large, but filling the box full for the start of winter is the only sensible way to go. Only filling one half of a large box, so leaving empty space is what Finsky calls 'vain space'. Little wonder beeks lose colonies if they believe you.

I have often removed stores in the spring to give them more brooding space, but I would never start them off with only a part-filled box of stores in the autumn by design. Heating unnecessary space all winter is a rubbish situation for the bees.
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Mild winters I remove a frame or two of stores, in harsh or long winters I don't worry then about feeding
 
As my name has been quoted in this thread I will repeat what WE do, and it may or may not suit others. Take it or leave it as you wish.

We believe in feeding to the optimum rather than the maximum. We proved by trial in the past, and sometime error at other times too, that colonies fed to FULL do not winter as well as colonies fed less full, leaving them enough space to raise a cycle of autumn brood.

We never find bees in OUR climate (which is eastern Scotland plus the satellite unit at Hereford/Cirencester) NEEDING to have more than 14Kg of stores in winter, which is a very convenient measure of 10 litres of invert syrup.

With very few exceptions we winter on single deeps, applies equally to wooden hives and polys, to BS sizes as well as Langstroth.

We NEVER use dummy boards, indeed have burned lots and lots of those in the past.

We PREFER to leave a poly feeder on above the nest in wooden hives for the winter, but a correctly fed and formatted colony in wood should winter perfectly well anyway.

It is our belief that over feeding hampers late brood rearing in the limited space we give them resulting in less young bees and a smaller colony in spring. They also cluster more tightly if there is a correct amount of open comb in the central area of the cluster.

It is getting marginal now for syrup feeding. We are still doing it in the poly hives and the good ones have taken over half their full feed since Saturday. We stopped making them draw foundation two to three weeks ago. We have only 120 or so our t of nearly 3000 still left to get their full feed and all will be done by tomorrow night. Having to rely on the hired hands to do it as I crocked myself badly a week or so back.

Ivy? Well we never get it here but not so in the Hereford area especially. If the bees get any we really hope they eat it all as it is a big problem if it becomes crystallised and also if any ends by being moved upstairs in spring. It taints the harvest giving it an unappealing smell which makes bulk buyers rather reluctant to take the barrels containing it and can depress the price. For the dual reasons of not wanting it and breathing space in our schedules, we prefer not to move the southern bees back onto site until after a date when the ivy is long gone.

ps...added later

Even those colonies actually underfed, then topped up with fondant from some time in winter onwards, arrived in spring stronger than the utterly stuffed ones. If you are on doubles or 'one and a half's then the feeding rules are a bit different.
 
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