To treat or not for varroa

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It seems to me that many parasites manage to stay one step ahead of the treatments, whether mites, mosquitos, fleas, ticks...
 
Is there a reason why varroa would evolve faster than the bee? Shorter brood cycle, but what else?

reproductive cycle is key to evolution, more mating cycles, more chance of gene mutation, more chance of change.
 
reproductive cycle is key to evolution, more mating cycles, more chance of gene mutation, more chance of change.

'Tis why alot of science is tested on fruit flies. You get to see resulting generations quickly
 
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Honey bee have 32 diseases or pests. They have been on bees longer than human has been on thi planet.

Now you as hobby beekeeper are going to solve this problem, in two years.
What we can say about that? A guy does not know to where he is pushing his head.

Don't mind about tens of universities which have unsucceeded to solve the problem.
You do it with your own way and show the eggs of duck to the whole parish.

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It's simply beyond the average beekeeper in the uk to breed Varroa resistant bees. Treating with Thymol based treatments start next week when I take my supers off. This will take advantage of the warmth. Will give it the oxalic on Boxing day as usual too.

The one good thing with varroa evolution is that if we all stick to thymol treatments for a few years then we may get the old ones back again as resistance will have bred out of them. Plus hopefully a few other tricks may come into play too.

Baggy
 
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Baggy, remember that UKcomes allways 10 years after other Europe.
When Europe has revieled the question, start to count.
 
a question on oxalic acid trickle in winter
does the oa affect the varroa on the backs of bees by killing the mite,
or is it the bees cleaning oa off of each other and digest the oa which gets into there system and that kills the mites,
 
Very low varroa mite drop with mine this year, too, and none found in sacrificed drone brood. However, the little monsters can build up so fast that I prefer to keep them below a level where I can see them at all, if possible. So I'll treat this autumn, but may or may not do anything mid-winter depending on the autumn results.

It's easy to underestimate the effects of varroa - I've known really experienced beekeepers get caught out and lose hives as a result. Also, it seems to me that mite drop rates can be deceptive: from looking at drone brood - which was quite badly affected early this year - I'd say that something is doing a good job of clearing up dropped mites, because from the drop rate alone I wouldn't have suspected a problem. I hate destroying brood but I haven't yet found a better way of keeping track of varroa.
 
Strange how this goes round and round.

One more time.

I don't treat at all and have no varroa related losses and this isn't unusual in France.

My bees are all "local mixtures" and are allowed to swarm.

Hives are only opened from time to time.

Frames only removed if really necessary.

Like many keepers round these parts I have hives that I don't even see for weeks or even months, in fact I've been known to almost forget about the odd one or two.

The truth is that currently I have too many and will have to do some serious merging.

Chris
 
have a bit of Patience Chris, it might be around and around twice for you but some of us its the first time round , not in pest control are you, only all them swarms must have to go somewhere .
 
Pest control??????

You really don't know me do you?

Completely and totally the opposite, I provide habitats for everything where nothing is killed except introduced species.

Chris
 
sorry Chris i dont know you from Adam,but why allow your bees to freely spread around your area if you have any disease which i have no reason to believe you would,but if you did so has everyone else in your area, every one tries to prevent swarming so why are you doing the opposite,(not knocking) but just wants to know why.
 
My bees are all "local mixtures" and are allowed to swarm.

Hives are only opened from time to time.

Frames only removed if really necessary.

Like many keepers round these parts I have hives that I don't even see for weeks or even months, in fact I've been known to almost forget about the odd one or two.


Chris
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Chris can speak up for himself without any help from me !!!!!!!!!!!! but I can confirm his bees do not have Varroa , how do i know , my bees come from him . I also will not be treating my bees . I will also let them swarm naturally and hopefully the queen will mate with the strongest drones . Production by natural selection , where have I read that before , oh yes , Mr Charles Darwin 1859 , or to give his work the full title
Charles Darwin - On the Origin of Species by Means of Natural Selection, or the Preservation of Favoured Races in the Struggle for Life.

In my view we have been interfering to much with natural selection , choosing what WE want not what is best for the bees or the environment .
Unlike many people Chris puts in to practice what he believes in , backing it up with extensive research . If I knew only half of what he knows about the environment , I would class myself as brilliant . not worthy
 
every one tries to prevent swarming so why are you doing the opposite,(not knocking) but just wants to know why.

Well clearly not everyone does try to prevent swarming and my approach to what are simply wild insects is to lean towards the most natural methods I can in keeping them. Part of that is swarming.

My bees have no diseases of any consequence, occasionally a colony will manifest some DWV which they soon get over.

Otherwise no issues other than what one would reasonably expect, Queens eventually failing or V. Queens failing to successfully mate / return which has understandably been slightly up this year.

I'm not so convinced as "cjhart2" that they don't have varroa present. Logically they must have but it may be at low levels - I don't know because I never check - why should I? I would assume that they simply tolerate the mite. What is for certain is that feral bees and other untreated colonies do survive here for years and years, again verified cases of up to 17 years continuous occupation and this can't be disputed by anyone with a functioning brain.

Chris
 
hope you dont think I'm trolling, but just interested in you methods, do you use any treatments at all,also you must have a rural residence as to not up set neighbor's as i would if i tryed your system of working
 
No problem, anyway I like a good Troll.:cool:

No treatments what so ever, zero, zilch.

My apiaries are all in rural areas but all in proximity to houses, some hamlets larger than others. Some other residents get "upset" simply because there are bees present, but then this is the countryside and some people get upset because there are cows, sheep and goats and farmers bringing in the crops all night in July. The people that get most upset are the ones with second homes or people that have moved here from towns and cities, but that's their problem. Still, most people are happy to see bees being kept after all the scare stories - every cloud has a silver lining and all that, mind you it breaks my heart to tell them everything's OK and that it's all hype.

Chris
 
Feral colonies seem to survive, possisble by brood breaks due to natural swarms reducing the varroa load,

i know of one Queen Bee Breeder that does not use any chemicals and uses Splits and artificial Swarms to create brood breaks and reduce the Varroa Load....I assume that is what Chris' Bees do naturally

I just wonder what my Local Cpuncil's Enivromnetal Services would do if i followed Chris' methods in my london urban environment....might try it i just before i move if i ever decide to move house
 
I just wonder what my Local Cpuncil's Enivromnetal Services would do if i followed Chris' methods in my london urban environment..

There is obviously a certain amount of horses for courses here as always, but out of interest what are the rules and regulations if any in the UK?

Chris
 
There is obviously a certain amount of horses for courses here as always, but out of interest what are the rules and regulations if any in the UK?

Chris

Bees are wild animals according to the law and only a bee-keepers problem while he has them in his control

But Local authorites use abatement notices to stop nuisance...and a hive that issued several swarmsi in an urban area would be so treat by EHO.the same as a noisy party...a nuisence that must be stoped

There have been a few silly cases such as notices to stop bee's pooh on neighbours cars and washing...but if you get served a notice to stop the nuisance then you can end up having to move your bees

Hives in rural field...problalby the same as in france, who cares
 
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