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So EU rules are bigger problem than bees are disappearing.

How EU rules can affect on " do nothing guys" ? They will allways exist. So, are they the future.
 
I think we all have a bit too much of 'big brother' in our lives without having it in beekeeping too. The dosey folk will get the hang of it eventually. If not there will be some cheap kit available. If it ain't broke, don't fix it.
 
I think we all have a bit too much of 'big brother' in our lives without having it in beekeeping too. The dosey folk will get the hang of it eventually. If not there will be some cheap kit available. If it ain't broke, don't fix it.

:iagree: Much legislation that is intended to make our lives safer, cheaper, more efficient, more open to scrutiny, more 'just about anything' serve to do nothing except the exact opposite of what they are intended to do. Just people sat in ivory towers looking to justify their existence and have no feet in the real world ...and their heads up their rear sections.

Cynical and jaded ? Moi ??? Never ! ... I think I'm going to add that to my strapline ! Victor Meldrew rides again ...
 
Anybody can start a beekeeping group if they want to, they don't have to be linked to any national organisation.

and normally the people who suggest doing so are the ones who want to be in charge...or iin this case, that they will be asked to join because they advocate the idea of licensing, and appear to an expert.

My next dor neighbour's feeling are that I shouldnt have bees in my garden..but only because she doesnt like them.......hence why she was trying to kill some bumbles the other day. Three or four years ago when I was away from home she threw boiling water over a swarm on another nieghbours fence..it turned out later that other neigbours had told her to just leave them alone as they werent causing any problem, but she she did it out of spite and assumed she was killing my bees.........not knowing there was just as many still inthe hive. She tried to get other neighbours to sign a petition to take to the council, but nobody was interested...... they knew what she was doing and why, and so did the council, because they came and looked and knocked on people's doors.
 
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If you look Michigan beekeeping in US, no bees are allowed in urban areas. Neither sheep, pigs, hen etc.
 
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If you look Michigan beekeeping in US, no bees are allowed in urban areas. Neither sheep, pigs, hen etc.

Thats probably because they dont know what they are...
I saw a bit on TV a few weeks ago.......a girl about 5 years old thought a chicken was a lion..and when her mother told her what it was she said "chicken nuggets?"
 
Legislating or licensing for an essentially wild superorganism moving themselves into empty boxes isn't going to happen.
Legislation to ensure food on sale to the public is fit for consumption is already in place, it will no doubt (and rightly) be updated periodically but I can't envisage any ground-breaking changes.
The future of beekeeping will be much the same as the past, people of varying abilities, enthusiasm and motivations will be involved and will generally take out as much as they put in to the craft.
IMHO, the best we can do to leave a decent legacy is to fight to preserve the environment in general, and keep native bees.....lights the blue touch paper!
 
I'm going to design a secret room behind a wardrobe....
 
Even if you aren't, what you do with your hives potentially effects any colony within a 3 mile radius that may be producing honey for sale.

Also, how would you feel if someone with no knowledge had a hive with EFB, they didn't notice or didn't even inspect and it passed to yours?

How you suggest we enforce all this malarkey?
 
Legislating or licensing for an essentially wild superorganism moving themselves into empty boxes isn't going to happen.
Legislation to ensure food on sale to the public is fit for consumption is already in place, it will no doubt (and rightly) be updated periodically but I can't envisage any ground-breaking changes.
The future of beekeeping will be much the same as the past, people of varying abilities, enthusiasm and motivations will be involved and will generally take out as much as they put in to the craft.
IMHO, the best we can do to leave a decent legacy is to fight to preserve the environment in general, and keep native bees.....lights the blue touch paper!

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Well apart from the native bees bit but I don't really give a rat's .... about that anyway.. :sunning:
 
:iagree:

Well apart from the native bees bit but I don't really give a rat's .... about that anyway.. :sunning:

Room 101 job then...

another good rumour to start up is to tell a few people that there is going to be a shortage of salt.....and everybody goes and buys more salt than they could use in a lifetime...
 
The falconry world have introduced a lantra scheme. In reality, it is just a method of trying to teach common sense, which many people seem to have none. The reson for the scheme is due to the likes of Harry Potter, and youngsters wanting to keep owls in unsuitable conditions.
'Finding nemo' was more damaging to the marine fish industry than anything before it.

Why do people want to keep bees? Fashion? media frenzy? Both of these will die down if allowed to do so. (As has the finding nemo disaster)

The BBKA are complaining there are too many novices starting up in towns and cities, will shoot themselves in the feet. 'If' the uk introduces the US system of no bees in urban areas, the bbka will lose many of its members... talk about lack of common sense!

If there is a licensing system, it will only be a revenue generator for someone.
If licenesing through 'approved or recognised' training, how are these approvals recognised, and by who. We all know the certificate given by a training course means nothing except to those who have performed it.
Don't get me wrong, any form of training is usually a help. Beekeeping is like driving. You pass your test, then you learn to drive.
I have assisted many 'trained' beekeepers that know little more than the basics, some of which can't tell the difference between a solitary extended drone cell in an obscure position and a qc.
'If' a new beekeeper does not receive training they will muddle through or give up. If they have a freindly beekeeper to hand, they can help with the questions or uncertain times.(sorry to those that do, but I believe the best assistance is given by people who don't charge for it and want to help for the right reasons) Traditionally, this is how it was always done. I am sure Brother Adam did not go on an 'approved beekeeping course', and learnt exactly where on the skip you place your matchstick.
'Approval' can only be measured by success, but then needs a yardstick. A two hive beekeeper may offer basic training, but even then statistically has very little experience.
'Forcing' people by licensing to perform tasks in a specific way restricts the evolution and improvement of the hobby.

... i could have simply said, no to licensing! :)
 
Well may intention was to stimulate stimulate debate and not ignorant ridicule of myself but thanks to those that chose that route.

I wasn't planning to put any idea through to legislation, as if I had the power to do that anyway.

My basic point still stands that there seems to be an increase in very very basic questions across the internet from those who already have obtained bees. This implies that a percentage of those following the beekeeping 'trend' have done so without much forethought. This can not be good for beekeeping as a whole.

As already said, I don't put myself forward as any sort of an expert but as a fairly new beek (5 years) who has some but no where near exhaustive knowledge.

If you wan't to carry on poking fun then I welcome that but I would rather you put forward your own ideas how to improve the general knowledge and practice of new (and some more experienced) beekeepers.

Finman's mantra is 'read a book' which I agree with (he's told me to do this before, although I have read several but still like to take advice when necessary as there is no substitute for advice from those with knowledge and experience), but how to get folk to do that before getting their bees and not after they have swarmed to under their neighbours roof.
 
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I don't agree, but it'll never happen anyway.

Like uninsured drivers, or dogs that go for jolly runs with horses where foxes live, legislation doesn't solve the problem of the few that are going to ignore the rules anyway.
(it only brings closure after the problem has manifest itself)
 
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but how to get folk to do that before getting their bees and not after they have swarmed to under their neighbours roof.

You cant, because they wouldnt know they ought to............

unless there's an app for it on their phone...
 
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Dismop is writing the future of Bristish beekeeping. Well, I think that the native bee since last Ice Age needs a better end.

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stimulate debate and not ignorant ridicule of myself

Dont take it personally...I think the ridicule was of the idea and not of you.
 
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Dismop is writing the future of Bristish beekeeping. Well, I think that the native bee since last Ice Age needs a better end.

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Not sure if thats a compliment ...................

surely not...........
 
Dont take it personally...I think the ridicule was of the idea and not of you.

I don't to be honest because it tends to be peoples default position. Don't agree with something so instead of looking at the root of it and coming up with suggestions and solutions they just take the p**s. I'm no better and do it too.
 
I don't to be honest because it tends to be peoples default position. Don't agree with something so instead of looking at the root of it and coming up with suggestions and solutions they just take the p**s. I'm no better and do it too.

1. Some think its a good idea.
2. Some think its a good idea but cant see how it would be enforced.
3. Some think its unlikely to acheive anything.
4. Some think its a stupid idea.
5. Some just dont want it because its an intrusion into what they do as a hobby.
6. Big producers might welcome the idea because they would probably automatically get licensed due to length of time doing it.. and also hope that it would reduce the number of other beeks selling honey and therefore increase their own sales.
 

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