"Survivor bees" found in Blenheim Forest

[Curly green finger's]

I've seen Carnica bees which they thought were amms.
I also know that one of our out apiaries colonys has slowly come to look and perform like carnicia bees, after some conversation a beekeeper a few miles away has three wbc colonys with them.

Imo they are mad bees and don't know when to slow down

 

[Murox]

For the same reason that Jehovah's Witnesses knock on your door rather than just have meetings between themselves.

I avoid any sect or cult that base all of their beliefs on the bible as interpreted by a governing body and invented by an american restorationist.

 

[Finman]

Imo they are mad bees and don't know when to slow down

In truth Carniolan is very nice bee race to nurse. But there are angry hive among them too.

 

[Wilco]

I think you will be reincarnated as a pure black bee in an idyllic English woodland

At Blenheim?

 

[Wilco]

Bumbling Beekeeper - From what I have read on this forum there are a number of contributors that peddle in wilful ignorance, obfuscation and denigration at any mention of Amm. Finman chief amongst them. He keeps talking about his qualifications in genetics but then argues that it is okay for subspecies to be wiped out because scientists now don't think subspecies are important anymore. I guess if you want to justify the massive collapse in planetary biodiversity caused by human action you have to tell yourself something but I'm not sure there are many evolutionary biologists that would support that take on things.

Just for anyone reading this who might be new to the forum. Amm are the native subspecies of honeybee bee for most of northern Europe. There is no scientific argument to contradict that.
Their population collapse has been brought about by human action. There is no scientific argument to contradict that.
If you are keeping non-amm within Amm's former natural range you are just aiding and perpetuating that collapse. There is no scientific argument against that.

Queue the 'I wont be told what kind of bee I can keep' - 'I can keep any bee i want' 'Amm never existed they are just a fairytale' blah blah

There's an arguable case that conservation is actively subverting evolution when species have been outcompeted by man. Not my position and rather purist but worth considering before claiming to represent evolutionary biologists.

 

[Finman]

There's an arguable case that conservation is actively subverting evolution when species have been outcompeted by man. Not my position and rather purist but worth considering before claiming to represent evolutionary biologists.

..... Hobby evolutionary biologist....

 

[jenkinsbrynmair]

If Carniolan and Black bee crosses, the color may be something

light black with dark black stripes?

 

[madasafish]

Because there’s no fun in that?

No: there would be no readers.

 

[Erichalfbee]

Imo they are mad bees and don't know when to slow down

Not my choice but I have had Carnies from B+ and they just need proper management and lots of space

 

[Curly green finger's]

Not my choice but I have had Carnies from B+ and they just need proper management and lots of space

Aye longstroth jumbos maybe, no good in wbc.
Perhaps also the m & c combination not so good I will be requeening.

 

[Finman]

Aye longstroth jumbos maybe, no good in wbc.
Perhaps also the m & c combination not so good I will be requeening.

You can pile boxes as much they need.
Why you need jumbos?

 

[rolande]

Aye longstroth jumbos maybe, no good in wbc.
Perhaps also the m & c combination not so good I will be requeening.

A lang jumbo in itself won't stop a Slovenian carnica (which is probably the most common type in the average garden hive) swarming - we've tried them in the larger md broods and still seen unduly high swarm tendencies. The german/Austrian strains seem to be a different thing altogether - we had some of those from a Mr Iacopi (North of Gloucester) back in the nineties.

 

[Swarm]

Aren't Slovenian Carnies part of a Conservation program? Possibly a more pure Carnica?

 

[Ian123]

Aren't Slovenian Carnies part of a Conservation program? Possibly a more pure Carnica?

More to the point not part of such a good breeding program!!

 

[rolande]

Aren't Slovenian Carnies part of a Conservation program? Possibly a more pure Carnica?

I don't know whether it's a conservation project or a case of developing a strong export market. Either way I'm sure, in time, they'll develope a very good all round bee.

 

[Finman]

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Aren't Slovenian Carnies part of a Conservation program? Possibly a more pure Carnica?

Carnica has nowadays very large area in Europe. What is the meaning of "pure" Carnica.
What I have read or heard, German bred Carnica is high quality, and nothing to go do with "pure". There are so much breeds..

Nz is adopting mite resistant Carniolans from Germany and from Austria...question is not about conservation.

Carniolan has conquered large areas of old Black bee in northern environments.

 

[Swarm]

I don't know whether it's a conservation project or a case of developing a strong export market. Either way I'm sure, in time, they'll develope a very good all round bee.

I meant the only bee allowed in their beekeeping, a bit like Goran has in Croatia. I may be mistaken.

 

[rolande]

I meant the only bee allowed in their beekeeping, a bit like Goran has in Croatia. I may be mistaken.

I'm sure you're right, and I did understand your meaning. My reply was perhaps tongue in cheek, or just plain cynical you can choose! But I do genuinely believe that they're potentially creating an excellent breed improvement situation - if you can't import then you've got to work with what you have.

I have read something from the Slovenian association in the past about how they have natural crossings in the border regions - which they stamp on. Can't remember the exact source.

 

[Ian123]

I'm sure you're right, and I did understand your meaning. My reply was perhaps tongue in cheek, or just plain cynical you can choose! But I do genuinely believe that they're potentially creating an excellent breed improvement situation - if you can't import then you've got to work with what you have.

I have read something from the Slovenian association in the past about how they have natural crossings in the border regions - which they stamp on. Can't remember the exact source.

But they can import carnica, sure they had some off the Germans

 

[Curly green finger's]