Sugar syrup good or bad!

[Curly green finger's]

For one thing, you have not furnished one scrap of hard evidence to back your conclusion that feeding is bad.

Bee's getting to reliant on sugar , interference with there natural feeding behavior or behavior , sugar ( beet sugar ) has contaminants " some of which or all are true"
I no and understand the pros .
If you want me to write a list

 

[jenkinsbrynmair]

Bee's getting to reliant on sugar ,

Proof? none

interference with there natural feeding behavior or behavior

Proof? none

sugar ( beet sugar ) has contaminants

Proof? - none, in fact, this is 'fact' is based on a lie circulated by the cane sugar producers before and after the second world war as a form of protectionism, and a fantasy still pushed out by the hand wringers, has been scientifically disproven beyond doubt

" some of which or all are true"

None of which stand up to the 'truth' test

I suggest you try and find some hard facts

 

[Finman]

Why jonny ?

This ei ole discussion is more than odd. You do not approve not a smallest fact.
The smallest fact is that sugar is very good Food to bees. Nothing harm from it.

One solution is, that keep your opinons and let the others be in peace.

 

[Erichalfbee]

A lot of hearsay
I think it’s a good idea to support our own sugar producers?

 

[jenkinsbrynmair]

A lot of hearsay
I think it’s a good idea to support our own sugar producers?

especially considering that to buy cane sugar is to promote exploitation of susbsistence labour in third world countries, Tate and Lyle that oft quoted 'British' institution is now wholly owned by an American conglomerate who, in the great tradition of American super companies do not give a fig for the environment, human rights, worker welfare or fair wages.

 

[Finman]

A lot of hearsay
I think it’s a good idea to support our own sugar producers?

90% out of EU consumed sugar is from European beet. 90% out of World consumed sugar is from cane. It is EU tariffs which keeps cane sugar out of European markets.

France and Germany are among 4 Biggest beet sugar producers in the world.

 

[Antipodes]

The cane sugar down at the supermarket is Australian grown, presumably in Queensland, and it sells for $2.60 for 3kg bag. It is amazing to me that it can be grown, packaged, transported so far etc. etc. and be so cheap. Mind you I was reading an article the other day where in 2007, beekeepers here ,(well on the mainland), were getting $2 a kilo (2.2 lb) for honey ...(not much over 1 GBP)..and that was more amazing.

 

[For want of a better word]

I am just wondering if the last one tonne IBC of Belsuc invert is the last one I will be able to afford to buy once all these EU economic tariffs are ousted after B day?

Can not see a bright future for British Beefarmers when the flood gates of cheap world honey rushes in.... a sticky end?

Yeghes da

 

[Finman]

The cane sugar down at the supermarket is Australian grown, presumably in Queensland, and it sells for $2.60 for 3kg bag. It is amazing to me that it can be grown, packaged, transported so far etc. etc. and be so cheap. Mind you I was reading an article the other day where in 2007, beekeepers here ,(well on the mainland), were getting $2 a kilo (2.2 lb) for honey ...(not much over 1 GBP)..and that was more amazing.

Is it Australian dollar?

 

[Finman]

The cane sugar down at the supermarket is Australian grown, presumably in Queensland, and it sells for $2.60 for 3kg bag. It is amazing to me that it can be grown, packaged, transported so far etc. etc. and be so cheap. Mind you I was reading an article the other day where in 2007, beekeepers here ,(well on the mainland), were getting $2 a kilo (2.2 lb) for honey ...(not much over 1 GBP)..and that was more amazing.

In Australia sugar is 3 kg 1.75 €

In Finland 3 kg is 1.8 €.

Practically the same price.

 

[Finman]

Bee's getting to reliant on sugar , interference with there natural feeding behavior or behavior , sugar ( beet sugar ) has contaminants " some of which or all are true"
I no and understand the pros .
If you want me to write a list

Of course they are reliant when I take all honey off. 100 kg off and 20 kg sugar back.

Sugar is polluted ? How a human can eate it then every day? An average about 1 kg per day?
.

 

[bingevader]

Can not see a bright future for British Beefarmers when the flood gates of cheap world honey rushes in.... a sticky end?

Beefarmers maybe, but I know there's a market for our quality, local honey.

Sugar is polluted? How a human can eat it then every day? An average about 1 kg per day?
.

Now that's a completely different story!

 

[Podilia]

Of course they are reliant when I take all honey off. 100 kg off and 20 kg sugar back.

Sugar is polluted ? How a human can eate it then every day? An average about 1 kg per day?
.

365 kg per year? Earlier you wrote about 40 kg per year. it's too much. I don't eat so much even with food. People may have unhealthy habits. They prefer sweets, candy, chocolate, cakes instead of fruits, honey, natural juice.

The smallest fact is that sugar is very good Food to bees. Nothing harm from it.

The fact is that your bees can't overwinter without sugar. The same in Siberia.
Another good food for bees is grapes, especially in relatively warm winter. The experiment with watermellons unfortunately failed, all colonies didn't survive.

 

[Podilia]

Can not see a bright future for British Beefarmers when the flood gates of cheap world honey rushes in.... a sticky end?

Yeghes da

I assure you the significant part of EU honey has another origin. For example when a truck with Ukrainian honey crosses the Polish border, that honey through many agents and processes of mixing gets a label Made in EU, Czech, Poland or something else.

 

[Finman]

.
Jep. Of course we do not eate 1 kg sugar a day. It is 100 g a day. In many forms.

Honey wintering does not make any sense. That is the reason.

 

[bingevader]

Honey wintering does not make any sense. That is the reason.

To you, absolutely! Your livelihood depends on it.
To me, it makes perfect sense.

 

[Millet]

Bees fed from there own stores are not treated for Nosema unlike the bees fed Thymol sugar syrup..also bees overwintering on there own stores are more prone to dysentery within the hive if we have a long cold spell..its a no brainer really...

 

[bingevader]

If people stopped making the generalisations, I'd stop posting, honestly!

Bees fed from there own stores are not treated for Nosema unlike the bees fed Thymol sugar syrup..also bees overwintering on there own stores are more prone to dysentery within the hive if we have a long cold spell..its a no brainer really...

Maybe small and pea sized, but my brain is intact!
Not had any dysentery.

 

[Millet]

If people stopped making the generalisations, I'd stop posting, honestly!

Maybe small and pea sized, but my brain is intact!
Not had any dysentery.

Me neither..

 

[Beefriendly]

Ok, back it up, where in the UK would you get better value from feeding syrup some other time than now?

One example is where I live in North Yorkshire where my bees have just come back from the moors. Most brood boxes are rammed with stores and they need to make room for queen to lay her winter bees. Feeding at this moment in time would be very counter productive.