Sugar syrup good or bad!

[Beefriendly]

If people stopped making the generalisations, I'd stop posting, honestly!

Maybe small and pea sized, but my brain is intact!
Not had any dysentery.

At day break I run naked around my garden waving a Union Jack flag. Have done for several years....and my bees have not had any dysentery.
The fact I feed them syrup with dissolved thymol (No Lecithin) is irrelevant. It's the flag waving that is important.

Erica...must be Brownie points here for getting this on yet another thread

 

[Antipodes]

Hi Finman, yes $2.60 AU (1.62euros) at the supermarket, straight off the shelf and not on sale, for a 3kg bag of Australian grown and packaged cane sugar, and it has to come all the way from Queensland to get to me.

 

[mbc]

One example is where I live in North Yorkshire where my bees have just come back from the moors. Most brood boxes are rammed with stores and they need to make room for queen to lay her winter bees. Feeding at this moment in time would be very counter productive.

Ok, plugging out nests is not a good idea, but in general in that area for beekeepers who've harvested summer honey and not gone to the heather, or gone to the heather and harvested some brood frame honey, then would they get better bang for their buck feeding syrup now than another time of year?
Don't worry about answering.

 

[bingevader]

Me neither..

But I don't take ibuprofen if I don't have a head ache!

 

[jenkinsbrynmair]

But I don't take ibuprofen if I don't have a head ache!

I wouldn't take it if I did - anti inflamatories are fine for musculo skeletal issues but for headaches the wise amongst us take paracetamol or even codeine based medication if it's that severe.

I suppose you don't believe in taking vaccinations against things like TB, polio and measles either.
It's called a prophylactic for a reason, plenty of research papers around on the benefits of feeding thymol in winter syrup.

 

[Curly green finger's]

Proof? none



Proof? none


Proof? - none, in fact, this is 'fact' is based on a lie circulated by the cane sugar producers before and after the second world war as a form of protectionism, and a fantasy still pushed out by the hand wringers, has been scientifically disproven beyond doubt



None of which stand up to the 'truth' test

I suggest you try and find some hard facts

https://training.chriskresser.com/c...sc=155188583.1.1568701574829&__hsfp=699053399


Not really bee related .

 

[Curly green finger's]

At day break I run naked around my garden waving a Union Jack flag. Have done for several years....and my bees have not had any dysentery.
The fact I feed them syrup with dissolved thymol (No Lecithin) is irrelevant. It's the flag waving that is important.

Erica...must be Brownie points here for getting this on yet another thread

It's too early to be reading what you get up to in your spare time N ..... Do you make helicopter noices to. .....

 

[Curly green finger's]

Curly, are you suggesting that we let them starve if we find their stores to be low, in the name of natural selection?

Nope ! But feed them honey stores if you have spare instead of sugar or........ Don't extract as much in the respect of monetry gain........ I'm adding fuel here the bunker door looks pretty.
Thanks
Mark.

 

[For want of a better word]

It's too early to be reading what you get up to in your spare time N ..... Do you make helicopter noices to. .....

 

[mbc]

Nope ! But feed them honey stores if you have spare instead of sugar or........ Don't extract as much in the respect of monetry gain........ I'm adding fuel here the bunker door looks pretty.
Thanks
Mark.

Having loads of capital assets provides security and resources which is undoubtedly good for a colony but having an income- either a nectar flow or syrup feed- is an entirely different stimuli and triggers behaviours like more laying and wax production that sitting on big honey stores doesn't do.
Judicious feeding can be very beneficial in my opinion, this is in no way advocating heavy syrup feeding all round but case by case, as in building up nucs or replacing resources taken from colonies to make up nucs, then the evidence of my eyes and experience tells me syrup feeding is wonderfully beneficial, especially when colonies are strong in numbers of old bees, there's little nectar about but still plenty of pollen.
It's a fundamental support for profitable beekeeping and does the bees no harm whatsoever when done in a considered fashion.

 

[Curly green finger's]

Having loads of capital assets provides security and resources which is undoubtedly good for a colony but having an income- either a nectar flow or syrup feed- is an entirely different stimuli and triggers behaviours like more laying and wax production that sitting on big honey stores doesn't do.

Judicious feeding can be very beneficial in my opinion, this is in no way advocating heavy syrup feeding all round but case by case, as in building up nucs or replacing resources taken from colonies to make up nucs, then the evidence of my eyes and experience tells me syrup feeding is wonderfully beneficial, especially when colonies are strong in numbers of old bees, there's little nectar about but still plenty of pollen.

It's a fundamental support for profitable beekeeping and does the bees no harm whatsoever when done in a considered fashion.

When you put it like that mbc who's to argue ..


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[Swarm]

Mine would probably be fine over Winter on just their own stores, the Ivy always comes in by the bucket load but they all have a small feed just before as they definitely benefit from it. The colonies had half a gallon on the weekend and the Ivy is just breaking, the warm weather promised this week might bring on a flow.

 

[Poly Hive]

The ivy flow seems to be below the border it seems. Never seen any evidence of it apart from my sojourn in the Midlands. And thinking about it never actually saw any evidence of it then.

PH

 

[Finman]

I looked occurence oj Helix in Europe. It is in England and to east on continent.
Denmark does not have much ivy.

Not much in Wales or in Ireland.

 

[madasafish]

The ivy flow seems to be below the border it seems. Never seen any evidence of it apart from my sojourn in the Midlands. And thinking about it never actually saw any evidence of it then.

PH

Lots of ivy here. Flowers October. Too late for my bees as most Octobers are damp and cold and few bees fly except on v sunny days. Never seen any evidence of it in 10 years..

 

[drex]

Mine aRe working the ivy like mad at present.

 

[jenkinsbrynmair]

Denmark does not have much ivy.

Not much in Wales

Not much!! we have shedfuls of it, coming out of our ears, know of one bee farmer not too far from here who had a saleable crop from it last season

 

[Finman]

Not much!! we have shedfuls of it, coming out of our ears, know of one bee farmer not too far from here who had a saleable crop from it last season

Is it so funny?.

I looked the Map of ivy. ..
I know you have everything...

 

[bingevader]

At day break I run naked around my garden waving a Union Jack flag. Have done for several years....and my bees have not had any dysentery.
The fact I feed them syrup with dissolved thymol (No Lecithin) is irrelevant. It's the flag waving that is important.

Erica...must be Brownie points here for getting this on yet another thread

Just stick to the flag waving then if you think it helps!
Haven't needed that, or thymol, but if I do, I'll treat appropriately.
Sorry, must have missed the other thread.

I wouldn't take it if I did - anti inflamatories are fine for musculo skeletal issues but for headaches the wise(!?) amongst us take paracetamol or even codeine based medication if it's that severe.

Not sure what advice you've been given. Pain killers have never done much for me and codeine's a bit strong, anti-inflammatories are much more effective.

I suppose you don't believe in taking vaccinations against things like TB, polio and measles either.

That's a rather bizarre (and false) assumption to have made from what I have said!

It's called a prophylactic for a reason, plenty of research papers around on the benefits of feeding thymol in winter syrup.

Don't use winter syrup, just rely on the benefits of honey.

 

[Popparand]

In Finland people consume on average 30 kg sugar per year and honey under 1 kg per year. That is why.

In Ukraine people consume sugar 40 kg per year per person.

In Ukraine you make more money filling teeth than emptying supers.