Starting to think my honey bees are wasps!

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loving_allsorts

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I started keeping bees two years ago! I started with a colony of bees which I was told by somebody in my local association (who should have known better) that he knew where they were from, they were not aggressive and good starter bees.

HA!

First thing first, they are the grumpiest meanest bees I've encountered. And boy do they like to swarm. In the first year, I had them in spring, and they swarmed twice (one swarm, one cast).... in the first year.....

By the end of the first year I had two colonies having given away the cast. Looking forwards to the next year when I was hoping for some honey! Well last year wasn't terribly brilliant for anybody to be fair, but mine decided that they would make the most of it..... by swarming again. Both of the colonies swarmed like buggery! I tried looking for queen cells to predict swarming, I inspected them regularly, but they were just rampant swarmers. I got another two colonies (four by the end of last year all together) and past over a few casts to my friend who kept bees. Needless to say, no honey.

As summer closed out last year I figured that I could maybe reduce the swarming activity by putting them onto brood and a half instead of just a brood.

As autumn settled in I had to move them to a piece of farm land which didn't seem to bother them. This year two of the four colonies made it through. In late spring this year the Rape seed field which was ten meters away from the bees flowered like crazy and only died back about two weeks ago.

While it was flowering you'd think the bees would be in harvest mode... not these... they swarmed! Only one colony that I know of and I rehoused it. I boxed them and dropped them into the top of a waiting hive, only they didn't want to go down between the bars regardless of smoke, patience or the cold night drawing in. There was a drawn brood box, and a super of frames on top of that and the bees, half dropped down, the others climbing over each other on top of the bars. I didn't want to flatten them all by putting the crown board down so decided it might be best to put an empty super on top of the supper of frames and put the lid on that.

Well I've been down today to see if I need to put escape crown boards on the two established hives... but I don't need to.... because there is NO HONEY!!! Infact, one of the hives hadn't even started drawing the frames in the super above the queen excluder. The other had drawn only two of the frames. On top of that the swarm I put in last week decided they didn't want to draw out the super frames.... instead they decided they would draw out 5 rows of wild comb from the hive roof!!!!

I am pulling my hair out with these stupid bees (I know, a bad beekeeper always blames his bees). I have read books on books over the last two years and I cannot understand what I am doing wrong.

I think I will have to try requeening. And tomorrow I'm going to have the joy of shaking all the bees down into the supers (that's going to make them less mean and aggressive isn't it!) and cutting out the wild comb (which by the way already are full of grubs!) Que loss of colony this winter!

GGGGGRRRRRRR!

I'm starting to conclude that my queens were mated by drone Wasps!
 
Yes requeen.
I did an AS on Monday afternoon and the bees have drawn 10 14 x 12 frames which they are filling with brood and stores.
A super of Manley foundation has been similarly drawn and filled with honey and I put another on today. I'm amazed!

PS....My first bees were Carniolans, I'm sure.
All they did was produce bees and swarm
 
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Hi allsorts,
I think your solution is to get a mentor so that you can apply all your theoretical knowledge in practice. With beekeeping it is all in the detail and even the experienced get it wrong sometimes which gives us all hope! Re-queening may not solve your problems IMHO, but cost you money, unless you have been a total martyr, but it does not sound like it!
 
Loving

I suspect that in our cold spring your bees found the size of the boxes you were trying to put them in far too large.
I'm only 30 miles North of you and nothing really happened bees wise until mid June. If you put them in lots of space in cold weather, they will not go down and will not draw foundation.

I suspect also you have Carniolans which are very swarmy.

You should join S Staffs BBKA and get some help.... N Staffs is very helpful.
 
Agreed re-queen. I am this year, some bees just make the hobby too difficult and painful...and by letting it continue we carry the problem forwards. Good luck, let us know how it goes :D
 
Thanks to all who commented, it's definitely re-enforced my re-queening plan.

I've not heard of these carniolans before now, but it sounds like quite a dangerous breed of bee. I wonder how many beginners have not had the staying power I had and gave up after the second year of keeping bees because of the lack of honey and constant swarming? And each time they swarm there is a new colony which has to be rehived, and it may likely be passed over to another beginner... and the chain continues.

Anybody got any advise with regards to breeds to go for? I heard Italian Queens produce aggressive but hard working bees. I heard Lithuanian Queens produce hardy bees that are good at coping through the winter?

BTW Madas, I am a member of SSBKA, it was from here where one of the chaps who run the training provided me with these bees.... I'm sure he thought he was doing the right thing at the time. I guess it's luck of the draw.

Cheers
 
Why not look for a local keeper whose bees have good traits and try to obtain queens from him?
Far better than bringing in some high bred foreign darling whose offspring will cost you dear in sugar and may leave you with a bitch from hell next year when she decides to sod off and leave you ;)
 
I just had a great conversation with the chap from Exmoor bees, he was incredibly helpful and instead of trying to sell me a couple of queens he put me off until autumn. Really helpful chap. Wish there were more like him in the world.
 
In the South here-and I have most hives still drawing out the brood boxes. Most of the colonies requeened anyway - such a messy year.. I am just concentrating on getting really strong colonies to go into winter. Only 2 really supered up. I wont be taking much honey.
Just found a swarm that I thought ok to be drone laying.. :hairpull: Just add it to the list of b......s.
 

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