Someone has been down to my hives ...other than me

[victor meldrew]

I'll just have to remember where I put them then

Could be unisex when deployed against ladies past a certain age !
I'll get my coat
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[user 6228]

In this case it appears nothing was taken and thankfully no damage done. Could it have been a case of "I wonder what this pile of old boxes is. I'll just lift the top off and have a look. Oh sh....."?

if you kept thousands of stinging bees with the intention to sting any attempted theft of stingless queen bees would you be liable for any injury suffered?
or would it be considered a reasonable use of force?

 

[VEG]

They would just be unlucky

 

[VEG]

I think as soon as someone sets foot on your property with the intention of stealing or causing damage then they shouldn't have any rights.

 

[mbc]

I think as soon as someone sets foot on your property with the intention of stealing or causing damage then they shouldn't have any rights.

Phrases like "burden of proof" and "reasonable force" spring to mind, and if the cps decide to prosecute, these things are a sliding scale that you'd have to convince twelve good men and true of.

 

[Itchy]

I think as soon as someone sets foot on your property with the intention of stealing or causing damage then they shouldn't have any rights.

Agree

 

[Moggett]

In this case it appears nothing was taken and thankfully no damage done. Could it have been a case of "I wonder what this pile of old boxes is. I'll just lift the top off and have a look. Oh sh....."?

I had a similar thing happen to one of mine a few years ago. The top super had been pushed over exposing the frames, the roof still being on but at an angle. Definitely human intervention not animals as the gated field was empty.

I assumed it was just some thick nosey git (plenty of them around here) looking to see how many jars of honey were inside.

 

[Pete D]

That's not what I was getting at ... if you look further into the case you will find that one of the 'scrotes' who survived tried to sue him for 'loss of earnings' as a result of his injuries. Tony Martin had to defend it and pay for the defense whilst he was in prison when the instigator was elgible for legal aid ... Tony Martin now lives in seclusion at an unknown address with a bounty on his head put up by the family of the dead man (who are Travellers).

We live in litigious and frankly perverse times in cases that are brought to the law .... rightly or wrongly ...

He lives in the same house as he always has, it's about 10 miles from me and he can be seen most weeks at the auction in town or in the market cafe having a cuppa and chatting with friends.
Farmer opposite me who breeds turkey's from July onwards had a similar incident a year after the aforementioned one. They were in his turkey sheds nicking turkey's in December at 4 in the morning, he shouted and fired a shot over the sheds, they jumped in their van empty handed and drove straight at him, he put a 2nd shot into the van as they fled. He called police to report the incident, they detained him and confiscated his guns. Released without charge a couple of hours later and got his guns back a few months after that. He was asked not to talk to the media.

 

[user 6228]

He lives in the same house as he always has, it's about 10 miles from me and he can be seen most weeks at the auction in town or in the market cafe having a cuppa and chatting with friends.
Farmer opposite me who breeds turkey's from July onwards had a similar incident a year after the aforementioned one. They were in his turkey sheds nicking turkey's in December at 4 in the morning, he shouted and fired a shot over the sheds, they jumped in their van empty handed and drove straight at him, he put a 2nd shot into the van as they fled. He called police to report the incident, they detained him and confiscated his guns. Released without charge a couple of hours later and got his guns back a few months after that. He was asked not to talk to the media.

A burglar climbed into my parents house when they were in their mid 70s.
My father tackled the burglar at the top of the stairs, they fell down the stairs together. My mother smashes a very very heavy ash tray over the burglars head and fetches a knife from the kitchen while the struggle with my father continues. The burglar disarms my mother and uses the knife to hold them at bay while he manages to escape out the front door.
They identify the burglar to the police, they nick the burglar and he cops to to dozens of other burglaries, so my parents dont even have to go to court. I have inherited the now glued together ashtray (A gift from Iceland).
comedy or crime drama?

 

[Pete D]

And they all lived happy after ?

Your parents should get compensated for the broken ashtray.

 

[thorn]

It all boils down to what 12 ordinary men and women find to be reasonable, having heard all the evidence. Many years ago, when I was involved in crime, I acted for members of The National Association of Licensed House Victualler (my favourite trade union, I loved the site inspections) and regularly found myself defending a licensee who'd used force to evict a troublesome customer. It always hinged on whether my client went too far. I only ever lost one case.
In Martin's case the evidence was that he lay in wait, and used potentially lethal force. The jury agreed. From what I read of the case, I believe they were absolutely right.
If you start thinking that your bees, or your DVD player, is worth a man's life, then you should go and live in that state in the USA where a householder thought it reasonable to shoot and kill a lost tourist who knocked on the door hoping to ask directions. I'm happy to live in a country that seeks to find a balance, even if I don't always agree with it.

 

[VEG]

I stand by what I said earlier. I pity anyone that I catch in my house.

 

[victor meldrew]

As my mum used to say "Strong words from a Weak stomach"
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[VEG]

As my mum used to say "Strong words from a Weak stomach"
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Not in my case

 

[jenkinsbrynmair]

I stand by what I said earlier. I pity anyone that I catch in my house.

Luckily The Home office has trained me in two different systems of control (one was devised for Ireland) and the 'application of transitory discomfort' (the new vegetarian touchy feely word for hurting someone without leaving too many scars ) all classed as reasonable force unless you actually rip the subject's arm off - which I'm assured can't happen. failing that it would either be Mr Westley Richards or Thomas Wilde. Of course this is all ignoring the fact that they could be very unlucky and SWMBO gets there first!

 

[victor meldrew]

No point in my pursuing this ,it's obviously academic / bravado
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[thorn]

I stand by what I said earlier. I pity anyone that I catch in my house.

Obviously you're well 'ard. But we less powerful mortals must bear in mind that a burglar might fight back, and, perish the thought, come off best. And even a burglar, if attacked by someone bearing a weapon, has the right to use reasonable force to defend himself.

And unless the jury is on your side, you'll go down.

 

[mbc]

But I can piss higher up the wall than you

 

[user 6228]

It all boils down to what 12 ordinary men and women find to be reasonable, having heard all the evidence. Many years ago, when I was involved in crime, I acted for members of The National Association of Licensed House Victualler (my favourite trade union, I loved the site inspections) and regularly found myself defending a licensee who'd used force to evict a troublesome customer. It always hinged on whether my client went too far. I only ever lost one case.
In Martin's case the evidence was that he lay in wait, and used potentially lethal force. The jury agreed. From what I read of the case, I believe they were absolutely right.
If you start thinking that your bees, or your DVD player, is worth a man's life, then you should go and live in that state in the USA where a householder thought it reasonable to shoot and kill a lost tourist who knocked on the door hoping to ask directions. I'm happy to live in a country that seeks to find a balance, even if I don't always agree with it.

I actually read the appeal court judgement on this one.IRC The appeal court was generous on the leeway they were prepared to allow but the evidence was definitive in that it showed he fired when he was no longer under possible threat.

 

[VEG]

So if he had shot them in the front then he would have had no problem as they could have been attacking him?