So is compulsory registration on the way

[Edwardking]

Surely it's about the bee's life and well-being?

 

[REDWOOD]

To be honest with you I really think its a back door entry for the tax man

 

[Swarm]

Nice avatar REDWOOD, btw.

 

[REDWOOD]

Nice avatar REDWOOD, btw.

Thanks Swarm
Something for the summer

 

[MrGrumpy]

.... and the UK will spend millions instituting a bee counting inspectorate whilst most of the rest of Europe won't bother

I suspect you're being optimistic.

What's most likely to happen is that the duties of the inspectorate will be 'devolved' to associations, with a multi-million-pound office, employing a dozen press officers and a panjandrum, established to regulate the associations, and another multi-million-pound office, employing another dozen press officers and a panjandrum, established to act as an ombudsman. There will be lots of lovely paperwork, no end of reports and reviews and ministerial orders and bits of legislation, and a job or two for any peer that has a background in retail or banking and a usefully large pool of relatives.

But, in the end, as it'll all be reliant on a mouldering chunk of arguable software that's too expensive to maintain, it'll go like the tax system, whereby the poor but honest are forced to act as scapegoats for the failings of the dubiously grasping, with opt-outs only available to the wealthy.

Every cloud, however, has a silver lining, and this inevitable future, though inconvenient for amateur beekeepers, will do much to gladden the hearts of those itching to professionalize the hobby and, as some of them put it, "drag beekeeping into the 21st century".

 

[victor meldrew]

no it isnt dodge the question...

go look at how the RYA has avoided the compulsory testing of yachties

They have a fine uptake of their courses and tests and as a country we have a fine reputation for relatively low incident rates and very high standards and numbers of attainment.

If you go for compulsary you lose something... is the gain worth it?
its quite difficult to kill yourself or someone else beekeeping

Derek

And in case you think I'm exam shy

RYA Yachtmaster offshore (thats 2 theory exams and 3 practicals, and loads of logged experience) all done without compulsion.

I didn't mention any opinion of the merits or nay of compulsory registration !
I questioned 'your' statement that compulsory registration would stop advancement beyond the level set ! I chose the driving test as an example to illustrate it having no effect on those wishing to advance their driving skills!
A view I still hold .
Fudging my question by pointing out that registration would be compulsory whilst the advanced driving test is voluntary indicates to me that either you don't read beyond speed reading or your need to be right exceeds all else.
VM

 

[jenkinsbrynmair]

I will be there lol

He has to - he's picking up my shopping. I can't believe this thread has grown so much just from a remark made from a London RBI (isn't it odd that most of these scare stories start from the land of the self righteous urban eco-warrior?)Heard not a peep down this way and I'm on good social terms with the RBI, SBI and more importantly the Welsh government bee officer (had to drive her drunken person home a few times - she was SWMBO's deputy and replacement)who would probably be the one given the poison chalice.
RYA Yachtmaser coastal RYA Advanced powerboat commercial GMDSS international operator unrestricted, NRAST EDH etc.etc. and boy scout smallholders badge and collectors

 

[user 6228]

I didn't mention any opinion of the merits or nay of compulsory registration !
I questioned 'your' statement that compulsory registration would stop advancement beyond the level set ! I chose the driving test as an example to illustrate it having no effect on those wishing to advance their driving skills!
A view I still hold .
Fudging my question by pointing out that registration would be compulsory whilst the advanced driving test is voluntary indicates to me that either you don't read beyond speed reading or your need to be right exceeds all else.
VM

My argument was about compulsory testing not registration. Stick to the arguments and the drift of the topic and not my qualities or lack of them.

 

[victor meldrew]

My argument was about compulsory testing not registration. Stick to the arguments and the drift of the topic and not my qualities or lack of them.

Congratulations you have won the pomposity stakes By a couple of lengths!
Again I bow to your superior debating skills!
VM

 

[user 6228]

Congratulations you have won the pomposity stakes By a couple of lengths!
Again I bow to your superior debating skills!
VM

Save the faint praise, I haven't finished. the ratio of advanced drivers to registered drivers is about 1:400
The existence or expansion of 0.25% of a population is not very significant of anything

Edit:You are not sticking to the subject but insist on making derogatory comments.

 

[pargyle]

I suspect you're being optimistic.
...... with opt-outs only available to the wealthy.

Every cloud, however, has a silver lining, and this inevitable future, though inconvenient for amateur beekeepers, will do much to gladden the hearts of those itching to professionalize the hobby and, as some of them put it, "drag beekeeping into the 21st century".

Well ... that was me being optimistic as usual !!

 

[drstitson]

"All you have to do with hives is paint them dull colours, place in a wood out of view and that's it."

you could do but given that it would typically also be compulsory to brand or otherwise mark your hives with your holding number any unregistered hives discovered would be clearly illegal and result in destruction and/or fine. presumably landowner would be first port of call.


Perhaps RSPCA could be drafted in to police the system - it's the sort of thing they like doing.

 

[victor meldrew]

During the war the 'ministry ' man ' would arrive at a farm, count and record piglets farrowed by a sow and go merrily on his way ! In truth some of the litter had been spirited away to be reared in secret!
When the penny finally dropped , the inspector demanded to see the afterbirth so as to count the umbilical cords to establish the true litter count .
Still pigs were reared in secret
VM


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[mbc]

"All you have to do with hives is paint them dull colours, place in a wood out of view and that's it."

you could do but given that it would typically also be compulsory to brand or otherwise mark your hives with your holding number any unregistered hives discovered would be clearly illegal and result in destruction

Totally unenforceable !
Whoever was doing the destruction would have to go round in large gangs round here or the incidence of involuntary unregistered woodland burials would rocket.

 

[madasafish]

Totally unenforceable !
Whoever was doing the destruction would have to go round in large gangs round here or the incidence of involuntary unregistered woodland burials would rocket.

Ah yes .. the Welsh are as law abiding as ever...

 

[jd101k2000]

It takes 20 minutes to dig a full sized grave. Don't ask how I know.

 

[madasafish]

It takes 20 minutes to dig a full sized grave. Don't ask how I know.

And rather less to fill it.

And then light the fire to burn the AFB affected frames...

 

[Gilberdyke John]

It takes 20 minutes to dig a full sized grave. Don't ask how I know.

Even with a jcb?

 

[Gilberdyke John]

"All you have to do with hives is paint them dull colours, place in a wood out of view and that's it."

you could do but given that it would typically also be compulsory to brand or otherwise mark your hives with your holding number any unregistered hives discovered would be clearly illegal and result in destruction and/or fine. presumably landowner would be first port of call.


Perhaps RSPCA could be drafted in to police the system - it's the sort of thing they like doing.

Sorry but you really haven't a clue how the countryman mind works.
I'm looking forward to seeing the first rusty fridge deep in the woods with a hole drilled in the bottom of the door and Bees coming and going.

 

[jd101k2000]

That was with a badger (a small version of a JCB). The person doing it was up against the clock, too... so it really was the fastest time. Nod, nod, wink, wink, touches side of nose knowingly.