So is compulsory registration on the way

[MuswellMetro]

"All you have to do with hives is paint them dull colours, place in a wood out of view and that's it."

you could do but given that it would typically also be compulsory to brand or otherwise mark your hives with your holding number any unregistered hives discovered would be clearly illegal and result in destruction and/or fine. presumably landowner would be first port of call.


Perhaps RSPCA could be drafted in to police the system - it's the sort of thing they like doing.

i am just going to brand mine Dr R Stitson c/o NHS Histopathologist Department

 

[Gilberdyke John]

That was with a badger (a small version of a JCB). The person doing it was up against the clock, too... so it really was the fastest time. Nod, nod, wink, wink, touches side of nose knowingly.

One of those things which get blamed for knocking hives over? ;-)

 

[madasafish]

One of those things which get blamed for knocking hives over? ;-)

I thought the reference was to ethnic cleansing in Bosnia...

 

[Elaine]

The problem with compulsory testing are the people who have 'passed' and consider thmeselves 'good' at whatever is being tested. No test can examine every aspect of a subject - and much will be forgotten as you walk out of the exam room! What about re-takes - if the aim is to keep the level of knowledge high, how often will a retake be necesasry? What about keeping up with new practices?

To continue the driving test example - most people consider themselves to be good drivers - it is just eeveryone else who is bad! How many people do you know who can't reverse, or drive round for ages to find a straight-through parking space? They have all passed a test. The opposite situation - that of someone _not_ having passed a test does _not_ mean they are bad at it!

 

[Edwardking]

Tests are fine - define what's to be included on the syllabus and test accordingly. Parking is not part of the driving test.

 

[Elaine]

Tests are fine - define what's to be included on the syllabus and test accordingly. Parking is not part of the driving test.

Exactly - how can anyone consider themselves a competent operative of a vehicle if they can't park? An exam can only be a subset of a subject, and just because something is in the syllabus, doesn't mean it is going to be taught/tested.
I don't know what is in the driving test these days - but your point backs up what I said - that ability to park will have nothing to do wth a test, but more to do with a person wanting to learn, and finding a mentor/teacher, and doing the practice themsevles.

 

[Edwardking]

Exactly the point I've been making for two days now. Licensing is a good thing, it will come, and we should welcome it.

 

[Elaine]

Exactly the point I've been making for two days now. Licensing is a good thing, it will come, and we should welcome it.

That's not what I am saying

 

[psafloyd]

Parking is not part of the driving test.

Um, I think it is now...

 

[itma]

... The opposite situation - that of someone _not_ having passed a test does _not_ mean they are bad at it!

I have problems with those who refuse to submit themselves for any assessment, and yet still expect their views to be taken as "the one true way."

However, beekeeper registration is some way down the line, beyond bee colony registration.



How is the campaign going to make the Cycling Proficiency test a legal requirement before getting "on yer bike" on the public highway?

 

[drstitson]

"Sorry but you really haven't a clue how the countryman mind works.
I'm looking forward to seeing the first rusty fridge deep in the woods with a hole drilled in the bottom of the door and Bees coming and going."

all well and good.

However - how would said countryman manage when trying to make a few quid selling the products of said structure? One would of course need to be registered as a producer in order to be legally allowed to sell to public. EH wouldn't rubber stamp anyone without proof of registration. at the moment beeks are treated essentially no differently to someone knocking up cakes to sell using bought in ingredients.

 

[Gilberdyke John]

"Sorry but you really haven't a clue how the countryman mind works.
I'm looking forward to seeing the first rusty fridge deep in the woods with a hole drilled in the bottom of the door and Bees coming and going."

all well and good.

However - how would said countryman manage when trying to make a few quid selling the products of said structure? One would of course need to be registered as a producer in order to be legally allowed to sell to public. EH wouldn't rubber stamp anyone without proof of registration. at the moment beeks are treated essentially no differently to someone knocking up cakes to sell using bought in ingredients.

You are still missing the point - it's known to some as the black economy "I bought it from a man in the pub" ;-)

 

[madasafish]

You are still missing the point - it's known to some as the black economy "I bought it from a man in the pub" ;-)

Or sold it to someone with registered hives.

If mixed, untraceable..


As I said before, registration is like banning the use of mobile phones in cars. A laudable objective but only enforceable at vast expense which no-one is prepared to pay for..

(See also cow record keeping and registration which was only introduced and enforced after a few very expensive disasters.)

 

[MartinL]

??? Explain then the popularity of the advanced driving test!

VM

There is NO "Advanced Driving Test"!

You can waste your money and apply for "membership" of the Institute of advanced motorists.

However it is not sponsored by DVLA or the government.


Similarly, once we are compelled to pay to pass the initial qualification, only a small minority would seek to go beyond the national requirements.

 

[madasafish]

There is NO "Advanced Driving Test"!

You can waste your money and apply for "membership" of the Institute of advanced motorists.

However it is not sponsored by DVLA or the government.


Similarly, once we are compelled to pay to pass the initial qualification, only a small minority would seek to go beyond the national requirements.

And how soon before someone offers to sit the test for you - for a fee?

 

[drstitson]

how would people think about registration if it were an essential part of promoting our honey as a unique product? like MM pork pies, welsh lamb, cornish pasties and stilton?

There would have to be some form of regulation of the production if we were granted IGP status for speciality "British One Hive Half Brain" Honey.

 

[Gilberdyke John]

how would people think about registration if it were an essential part of promoting our honey as a unique product? like MM pork pies, welsh lamb, cornish pasties and stilton?

There would have to be some form of regulation of the production if we were granted IGP status for speciality "British One Hive Half Brain" Honey.

IF is a pretty big word and what will the small producer gain from the ******** the registration would create?
Not enough to compensate IMO

 

[drstitson]

the other side of the coin re registration schemes or any other form of compliance is that those who don't comply with one thing are unlikely to be compliant elsewhere.

think ANPR traps - pick up un-taxed cars and un-insured drivers sure; but also have a not insignificant yield of criminals of various sorts.

 

[pargyle]

how would people think about registration if it were an essential part of promoting our honey as a unique product? like MM pork pies, welsh lamb, cornish pasties and stilton?

There would have to be some form of regulation of the production if we were granted IGP status for speciality "British One Hive Half Brain" Honey.

Have you had a sneaky peek at my labels ready for this coming season's harvest ?

 

[jenkinsbrynmair]

Have you had a sneaky peek at my labels ready for this coming season's harvest ?

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