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For selling, the advice I received was that as long as the jars were clean and the lids new, you were fine.
For yourself, it's up to you!

Ah, do you mean clingfilm?
Don't know, sorry.
 
Not cling film but there used to be proper pvc jam jar lids around back in the day still not sure if they are out there now. People have been collecting me jars for honey but they dont match but all have lids. Its my second year with my first hive and i plan on splitting it in 2 so i dont expect to get much honey at all. But if i cant get replacement lids then is there any real point having them except for recycling
 
Like you, when I started beekeeping, I asked my wife to collect jam jars for use with honey. I took two years to get a crop by which time, I had several bags full of empty jam jars. I also discovered that selling 1ib jars of honey in a second-hand jars is not the way to go. I bought new 8oz jars with gold lids (only about 35p.) and spent time and money producing a good label.

My advice would be to ditch the jam jars - even if you're giving the honey away, you'll give away a lot of honey if using 1lb jars - better to use 8oz jars and sell some of them to help pay for your hobby.

CVB
 
North Yorkshire Environmental health says no reusing glass jars. Must be new. May vary according to local authority, well worth checking with yours.
 
I never use other people's jars, how do you know they haven't used them for cleaning paint brushes. I use my own second hand jars for known honey and only new jars and new lids for sale. Black lids, hex jars, black and white tamper labels and black and white printed labels with a cheap laser printer. Looks really classy and professional and helps sell my honey.
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You are not supposed to re use glass jars as they have not been designed for re- use! (MAD I know but that's the EU for you). Nothing to do with your local authority.

The get-out for milk-bottles is that they ARE designed for re-use as part of a closed-loop system. (I.e. they are returned for cleaning and re-filling).

So the law states that you have to smash up perfectly good jars. However I would not want to re-use a pickled onion jar for honey......

Re-use decent jars for your own use or for friends/family but you should get new for selling. However if you receive your own honey jars back and clean them and use new lids, that seems a reasonable option to me.
Of course Hyacinth Bucket insisted that the milkman returned her own milk bottle back to her! A perfect closed-loop system!
 
I think there is a legal restriction on reusing jars for selling foodstuffs courtesy of E.U regulations which most people ignore or are ignorant about. Not down to local authority rules
 
I think there is a legal restriction on reusing jars for selling foodstuffs courtesy of E.U regulations which most people ignore or are ignorant about. Not down to local authority rules

It's all down to the 'sniff test'.
Something most folks must be familiar with!
 
HACCP document provided as an example at a recent seminar arranged for food processing companies stated that if one single glass container was found in a pallet, the whole lot had to be isolated, marked unfit for use and sent for recycling.
Also all glass had to be washed and dried and inspected before filling.
I would not wish for a shard of glass in my honey.

http://www.sgs.com/en/agriculture-food/food/food-certification/haccp-certification
 
I think there is a legal restriction on reusing jars for selling foodstuffs courtesy of E.U regulations which most people ignore or are ignorant about. Not down to local authority rules

That would be why the WI are allowed to use recycled jars, they obviously got an EEC exemption. Of course the difference could be due to profits for charity.
 
So that's all nice and clear!

For selling, the advice I received was that as long as the jars were clean and the lids new, you were fine.
I never use other people's jars, how do you know they haven't used them for cleaning paint brushes.
You are not supposed to re use glass jars as they have not been designed for re- use! (MAD I know but that's the EU for you). Nothing to do with your local authority.
Glass is inert, so as long as its sterilized it's safe to reuse
 
Read the link I provided, explains it well.

Only caveat is that the Local Authorities interpretation of the relevant regulations Regulation (EC) No 1935/2004 and Regulation (EC) No 2023/2006 may prohibit you.
 
Only caveat is that the Local Authorities interpretation of the relevant regulations Regulation (EC) No 1935/2004 and Regulation (EC) No 2023/2006 may prohibit you.

Yes, and no reuse is the current environmental health policy for North Yorkshire and why I suggested you check with your local authority as what theirs is.
 
Read the link I provided, explains it well.

Only caveat is that the Local Authorities interpretation of the relevant regulations Regulation (EC) No 1935/2004 and Regulation (EC) No 2023/2006 may prohibit you.

Bottle your few jars of honey however you like.... my customers appreciate the fact that our honey is bottled into new cleaned jars in a professional way in a clean bottling plant facility by staff that are properly supervised and all hold the training required by legislation to safeguard the consumer.

Must be a can of worms for the over the gate sellers!
 
From another of many threads on the subject...https://www.beekeepingforum.co.uk/showthread.php?t=21053&page=3

Also, please note that most jars are made with a glass quality called white flint. It is a one use only grade. It is perfectly possible to made reuseable glass and they do indeed do so in Denmark and other places. However it is a different grade of glass with a bit more resilience to normal handling, whereas white flint is more brittle and is not really safe to reuse in any setting where you might be sued.

Glad to see the thread gets the point in the end. We NEVER reused glass jars when packing honey as the risk was just so much greater than fresh glass of known origin.

This came to a head with glass shards being found in jars of honey. The jar looked perfect, but the guy involved did indeed take jars back from customers and washed and dried them with great care. he was quite proud of the eco friendliness (before such a term was even used) and the money saved (though in a business setting it is usually more expensive to clean and sterilise than buy new with honey jars). His product was excellent, looked great, and sold well.

Then there was a claim from a consumer with a cut mouth. Then after a while another, Local EHO investigates and finds out about the reused glass. I was shown the problem and it is a real one too.

When you wash jars for reuse in a small scale setting it is common for them to ***** against eachother. The jars can look perfect, but small introduced defects in the thread area are very hard to spot. Small edges and pieces of thread pattern sometimes then come detached and can end up in the honey. Sorry for those who think it an unreasonable intrusion, but it DOES happen, and these are increasingly litigious times.

The point also made about you never know what the person returning the glass may have had in it is oh so true. If they have had jam in the jar (and I have seen people put anything from old cooking oil to urine in them, wash them and think them good as new) then no matter how clean you wash it it gives taint to the next think in there. An extreme example is to wash out a jar that has had any product with a smell to it, say rasp jam, then fill it with dry white sugar ad put the lid on. Go back after a week and open it. You will smell the jam.
 
Good point in washing jars... last pallet delivered by Compaq had an advisory notice... clean but not washed.
Industrial bottle washer we use has cradles that make sure jars are not able to move in the washing process.
HACCP states... Each jar to be inspected before bottling with product.
 

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