Raping the planet

[jenkinsbrynmair]

Is that on paper since the Dutch ships were excluded and are simply rebadged. We and the Dutch are the 2 most interlinked nations on Earth when it comes to business. Whoever owns them changes not the facts of their destruction at wiping the seabeds clear of all life

one UK family hoovered the majority of quotas up when our fishermen saw the pound signs and voluntarily sold off a lot of their quotas and decommissioned their vessels (there was a grant to do so) I was fisheries liaison for a while when we we decided to work alongside RN fisheries patrol vessels on a co-working initiative some fifteen or so years ago.
I remember mooching around Peterhead and wondering at a load of pristine pelagic 'mackerel hoovers' laid up in the dock and met one of the caretaker crew. British owned, British crewed, they only needed to work a few months a year to meet their quota and make their money following the mackerel around the coast. They would then return to base, destore, lay up and be overhauled and cleaned ready for the next season, whick is why the looked brand new although when I checked the registry they were a good few years old.

 

[Penninetrader]

one UK family hoovered the majority of quotas up when our fishermen saw the pound signs and voluntarily sold off a lot of their quotas and decommissioned their vessels (there was a grant to do so) I was fisheries liaison for a while when we we decided to work alongside RN fisheries patrol vessels on a co-working initiative some fifteen or so years ago.
I remember mooching around Peterhead and wondering at a load of pristine pelagic 'mackerel hoovers' laid up in the dock and met one of the caretaker crew. British owned, British crewed, they only needed to work a few months a year to meet their quota and make their money following the mackerel around the coast. They would then return to base, destore, lay up and be overhauled and cleaned ready for the next season, whick is why the looked brand new although when I checked the registry they were a good few years old.

The whole fishing industry was screwed by Ted Heaths sell out at any cost, they of course were not alone. Of all PM's in my lifetime I despise him above all others. I suppose given the sell out the fishermen cashed in whilst they could, I fear farmers looking at the future may to our cost take the same view. The grant method is part of the farm destruction plan, it worked with the fishing industry so why not the farming. People can take a hint that they are expendable. As a nation we are much the less for what our politicians greed has done to us, the surprise is how cheaply they will sell their souls.

 

[Penninetrader]

What is worrying about producing 4 times more food with a lower cost of water and space?

Complicated, it is that we are being driven towards a world of factory food to the expense and destruction of our natural farming world. There is much more than that but I think that is enough to explain my position.

 

[Garry R]

I would eat all of him to save the rest of us.

I would too but he would stick in my throat. I see he is cosying up to Trump now.

 

[Erichalfbee]

I see he is cosying up to Trump now.

Self preservation. He seems to be the most despised PM for many long years. Perhaps he has stuck a wet finger up in the air and actually noticed which way the wind is blowing

 

[jenkinsbrynmair]

Self preservation. He seems to be the most despised PM for many long years. Perhaps he has stuck a wet finger up in the air and actually noticed which way the wind is blowing

even before he managed to be elected leader, many in the party used to label him as the weather cock, apart from the obvious connotation of the second word it was obvious that he would change direction the moment the wind did. I warned my CLP members during the leadership election that they would rue the day they voted him in. Many, like me have now left the party (some were actually expelled - for no other reason apart from being good socialists)

 

[fian]

Complicated, it is that we are being driven towards a world of factory food to the expense and destruction of our natural farming world. There is much more than that but I think that is enough to explain my position.

Although this farm grows hops using hydroponics in a similar way to Dutch farms that produce lettuce and other vegetables, I do not think this can be considered an industrialized product like synthetic meat or the production of food pills.

 

[jenkinsbrynmair]

I do not think this can be considered an industrialized product like synthetic meat

it may not be an industrialised product, but it's definitely industrial factory farming. Hectares and hectares of plastic tunnels so everyone can have fresh tomatoes throughout the year and flavourless bland iceberg lettuce to go with the christmas day prawn cocktail; dairy cattle on a constant treadmill of production - the list goes on and on. gone are the 30 to 60 head dairy farms that I used to help on, in fact, the last one locally (where an ancestor was steward back in the 1850's) shut down their milking shed and switched to beef last summer it's just an upgrade of battery farming now - even around here (well, the Towy valley anyway - renowned for centuries for milk production) cows never get out to graze any more - they stand on concrete and eat silage and processed cattle cake, 365 days a year and even get milked in shifts - day and night on an endless conveyor belt of feed, rest, milk, repeat on massive American style dairy factories. Hundreds of hectares of land are animal free and just geared to produce as much silage as possible to be transported to the factory sheds to keep the milk flowing.
And of course, to aid efficiency, no straw bedding - just robots swilling and squeegeeing the slurry away into great pits to end up being sprayed in great quantities back on the land - and the worrying effect on natural watercourses.

 

[Penninetrader]

even before he managed to be elected leader, many in the party used to label him as the weather cock, apart from the obvious connotation of the second word it was obvious that he would change direction the moment the wind did. I warned my CLP members during the leadership election that they would rue the day they voted him in. Many, like me have now left the party (some were actually expelled - for no other reason apart from being good socialists)

I can get along with an honest man no matter his politics but not that of a liar and he is a liar

 

[jenkinsbrynmair]

I can get along with an honest man no matter his politics but not that of a liar and he is a liar

when I first encountered him I thought of the Welsh term " 'ma tro yn ei gwt' (there's a kink in this one's tail) and I wasn't wrong. there are very few honorable politicians out there who don't tell the odd lie, but this boy has turned it into an art form.

 

[ken in NH]

So many of the world problems are caused by OVERPOPULATION. any farmer knows that if you overcrowd animals in a pen , you get fighting and more disease. Mother nature can only repair so much ( I'd add that lawyers, salesmen and politicians only add to the social side of problems)

 

[fian]

it may not be an industrialised product, but it's definitely industrial factory farming. Hectares and hectares of plastic tunnels so everyone can have fresh tomatoes throughout the year and flavourless bland iceberg lettuce to go with the christmas day prawn cocktail; dairy cattle on a constant treadmill of production - the list goes on and on. gone are the 30 to 60 head dairy farms that I used to help on, in fact, the last one locally (where an ancestor was steward back in the 1850's) shut down their milking shed and switched to beef last summer it's just an upgrade of battery farming now - even around here (well, the Towy valley anyway - renowned for centuries for milk production) cows never get out to graze any more - they stand on concrete and eat silage and processed cattle cake, 365 days a year and even get milked in shifts - day and night on an endless conveyor belt of feed, rest, milk, repeat on massive American style dairy factories. Hundreds of hectares of land are animal free and just geared to produce as much silage as possible to be transported to the factory sheds to keep the milk flowing.
And of course, to aid efficiency, no straw bedding - just robots swilling and squeegeeing the slurry away into great pits to end up being sprayed in great quantities back on the land - and the worrying effect on natural watercourses.

https://www.campogalego.es/radiogra...eche-quedan-mas-de-400-con-menos-de-20-vacas/
Just because in the UK you have given up promoting extensive farming does not mean that the rest of the world will follow you. I have attached a news item with the characteristics of dairy cattle farms. Distribution companies have begun to stop buying milk from farmers who do not comply with animal welfare or from animals that are completely stabled. That does not prevent Galicia from being one of the 10 regions with the highest dairy production in the EU.
Similarly with beef production where the average number of cows per farm is 50. On the other hand, in pig and poultry farming the vast majority of farms are intensive.

 

[jenkinsbrynmair]

Just because in the UK you have given up promoting extensive farming does not mean that the rest of the world will follow you.

what on earth are you babbling on about?