Quick dead outs by varroa

[Finman]

Randy Oliver explains the causes of CCD in about 18 articles, better start reading.

Joke or not. Randy Oliver only writes articles. He is not a researcher.

CCD is connected to the migrative beekeeping and the style to move hives from pollination place to pollinatign place. Then finally, USA is only country, which collects thousands of hives to warm areas wher hives have no food and no winter rest.

But, final answer is missing still. In USA bee colonies have died out 8 years, every year. No another country has reported CCD.

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I have had similar those dead outs by varroa before, but there is something odd however in this.

Those 2 hives are 10 miles away, and last I looked inside them 2 months ago.
That owner did not opened the hives during that time, but he told that hives do not take much winter food.

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I must go there and look inside sealed brood, what is there....Mites must be found it cells if the reason is varroa.

 

[Finman]

There seems that the main cause is viruses (they change their DNA very fast), NOT NEONICS, and today is just not enough to keep the varroa mites below the 1% threshold ( remember your suspicion about pesticide contamination in the honey from some of your dead hives during the winter and the poor brood patern in some of the hives that had received it?)

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You invent your own stories. I have not written those stories.

Those two hives have nothing top do with my bees or hive material

Nucs were made in August and weathers were exremely splended here during August and September.

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When I compare my own 5 nucs, which I stransported to the phacelia fields at same time, I got splended hives from there. They got there good winter cluster and hives got half of their winter food from honey dew.
I even extracted 5 kg honey from each nuc.

Another dead out hive seemed very similar as my nucs, but then something happened.

 

[jenkinsbrynmair]

Joke or not. Randy Oliver only writes articles. He is not a researcher.

CCD is connected to the migrative beekeeping and the style to move hives from pollination place to pollinatign place. Then finally, USA is only country, which collects thousands of hives to warm areas wher hives have no food and no winter rest.

But, final answer is missing still. In USA bee colonies have died out 8 years, every year. No another country has reported CCD.

well said Finny

 

[Erichalfbee]

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I must go there and look inside sealed brood, what is there....Mites must be found it cells if the reason is varroa.

That seems the way to go. Let us know what you find please.

 

[TryingToLetThemBee]

I must go there and look inside sealed brood, what is there....Mites must be found it cells if the reason is varroa.

What sort of temperatures will you be doing that in, Finman? <ADD>Or is the colony dead anyway?</ADD>

 

[Dishmop]

Nucs were made in August and weathers were exremely splended here during August and September.

are these different bees , or the same colony of bees that died out in a hive?

 

[Finman]

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Nucs are from different hives.
Another mother hive brought 60 kg honey.

They boath were splits from farse swarms.

 

[Dishmop]

Was the colony that died out from nuc made in August then?

 

[Scutellator]

This is probably absconding. The bees have probably joined an absconding swarm.
There is a discussion about this on a French list at the moment.

You can call it whatever you like - CCD, absconding, disappearing, sudden death .... the end result is the same - massive losses when the first wave hits, no matter what the exact reason or HOW ( inside or outside the hives) or WHEN ( before the winter, mid-winter or in the early spring) they absconed/died.
Some of the colonies "choose" to stay ( the more resistant ones) instead of absond and they die anyway, you can smell the decomposing bees' corpses inside the dead hives from several meters away.

I have been listenenig all kinds of weird stories happening in the recent years.
Many bulgarian beekeepers claim that the CCD is actually a disappearing of one's brains disease (varroa or careless beekeeper), until their bees start dying too.
In Bulgaria it is coincidenceing with the loss of efficiency of the synthetic acaricides.

This epizootic disease ( CCD or thatever you prefer to call it) is pretty much like the story of the elephant and the blind man, some say " it is a snake", others - " it's a three" , but the truth may well be somewhere else.

 

[Finman]

You can call it whatever you like - CCD, absconding, disappearing, sudden death .

CCD is a special disease and not what ever phenomenom.

As well you can say that reason to all diseases is a beekeeper. - like many try to says

Beekeepers speak so much rubbish which have nothing to do with facts.

I have found too that full minded persons try to ride on the issue that they get for example money to they researching projects,

One the most popular humbug is that beehive knows its beekeeper. And one guy tells that his hives know eveil boys even next summer, after many brood generations.




Some collect money for "vanishing bumblebees".

Many here claim that they have "non GMO farms". Well well. We have no GMO plants here, and soya flour is too expencive to feed animals.

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[pargyle]

One the most popular humbug is that beehive knows its beekeeper. And one guy tells that his hives know eveil boys even next summer, after many brood generations.

I think you will find that a number of people on here would strongly disagree with this as a statement of fact. There have been may experiments testing the cognitive abilities of the honeybee and their powers of memory ... whilst I would accept that there are (as far as I know) no experiments that go as far as proving bees can recognise individual human faces there is much anecdotal evidence that colonies who have faced trauma retain a memory of that event. There is also some evidence that smell forms a large part of the bees ability to recognise and communicate.

Certainly, bees have a well proven ability to retain knowledge of foraging and landscape identity and an equally proven ability to communicate this knowledge to the rest of the colony.

There was also some experimentation (you may know of the paper - but I can't find it) where some foraging bees were taught that there was a food source in the middle of a lake ... and then were given the opportunity to convey this information to their colony. The bees in the colony, who had not visited the food source themselves, were unwilling to accept the communication that there was a food source in the middle of a lake. They clearly, had some retained knowledge that forage in the middle of a lake was unlikely. However, the bees that had learned that there WAS food in the middle of the lake returned to it ...

There is much that we do not know about how bees function in terms of their memory and communication process ... it may well be that there is a genetic memory passed through the brood or the memory may be passed on by the overlapping bees from brood generation to generation ....

It is not a huge step to suggest that bees can regognise individual humans ... or at least the human form.

 

[Norton]

What is in bees memory store is human eyes. A bee tries to hit into eyes and in hairy objects which resemble bear.

Or even a sparse chimp.

 

[Finman]

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Certainly, bees have a well proven ability to retain knowledge of foraging and landscape identity
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There was also some experimentation (you may know of the paper - but I can't find it) .

I can help you

Karl Ritter von Frisch,[1] (20 November 1886 – 12 June 1982) was an Austrian ethologist who received the Nobel Prize in Physiology or Medicine in 1973

He revield out how honey bee find the food source and inform the hive where the food is.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Karl_von_Frisch



Think about this. Every day a hive gets 1500 new workers,
in 7 days it get 10 000 workers. And the rest of 70 000 bees do not like when the fellow steel their honey and smoke against face.

If the beekeeper visit after a month, there are not much workers who remember the boss.

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[pargyle]

I can help you

Karl Ritter von Frisch,[1] (20 November 1886 – 12 June 1982) was an Austrian ethologist who received the Nobel Prize in Physiology or Medicine in 1973

He revield out how honey bee find the food source and inform the hive where the food is.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Karl_von_Frisch

Think about this. Every day a hive gets 1500 new workers,
in 7 days it get 10 000 workers. And the rest of 70 000 bees do not like when the fellow steel their honey and smoke against face.

If the beekeeper visit after a month, there are not much workers who remember the boss.

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Thanks for that Finman ... it was James Gould

"Experiments by James Gould suggest that honey bees may have a cognitive map for information they have learned, and utilize it when communicating.

In one test reported in a 1983 issue of Science News, he moved a supply of sugar water 25% further away from a hive each day.[19] The bees communicated to each other as usual on its location. Then he placed the sugar water on a boat anchored in the middle of a small lake. When scouts returned to the hive to communicate their find, other bees refused to go with them, not expecting to find food in the middle of a lake, even though they frequently flew over the lake to reach pollen sources on the opposite shore.

In another test related in the August 1986 issue of Discover ("A Honey of a Question: Are Bees Intelligent?"), Gould lured some bees to a dish of artificial nectar, then gradually moved it farther from the hive after they became accustomed to it. He marked the trained bees, placed them in a darkened jar, and relocated them to a spot where the hive was still visible, but not the dish. When released one by one, the bees would appear disoriented for a few seconds, then fly directly for the covert dish. Seventy-three of 75 bees reached it in about 28 seconds. They apparently accomplished this feat by devising a new flight path based on a cognitive map of visible landmarks."

 

[Finman]

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James Gould's experiments...

Karl von Frish had made those experiments long before James.

But there is no experiment, where bee is able to remember human faces.

 

[lebouche]

Bees can recognise human faces

Remember reading this recently.
http://www.world-science.net/exclusives/051209_beesfrm.htm

 

[Dishmop]

Ok, we opened the hives and they were empty. Another had cupfull of bees and the queen. Another had a spoolfull of bees.

There were no dead bees on floor. As empty as empty is.

Boath hives had large brood areas in frames where were uncapped brood and partly emerged bees and what ever.

The brood was chilled becasue colony did not have nurser bees enough in September.

This is just the same as happened in this country to many beeks early this year and was assumed to be starvation but like Finmans story, there appears to be no explaination as to where the bees went.

 

[Finman]

Remember reading this recently.
http://www.world-science.net/exclusives/051209_beesfrm.htm

There is a story about Finmen. When they go to the zoo and see an elephant, first idea in the head is "what that elephant thinks about me?"

What in heck a bee chould remember human faces?



But humbug is an important part of hobby beekeeping. Otherwise the whole job is too simple.



I worked 14 years in environmental proection in the City Hall of Helsinki. Later I realized that half of that job was humbug. Your duty is to paint disasters and then you paint lovely places like meadows, rare animals and butterflyes, - which never have been in Helsinki and never will be. Severe lies.... Something to do with religion.

One example: Environmental protectors plannes ecological corridors inside the city that animals can move along them and reproduce. --And reality: when a moose came across Circle Road III, police shooted them...

How we like these fairytales!!!. But nothing wrong in these

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[Norton]

Photoshopped!

 

[Norton]

Come on!
The whole CCD/disappearing thing is absconding, sometimes on a grand scale. The hives are suddenly empty and the missing bees are nowhere to be found - where did they go? Abducted by aliens. Taken to area 51. AMM zealots stole them to reinforce their dwindling autumn hive populations. The bees forgot where they live, etc etc etc.

I don't think so.