Quick Artificial Swarm question

[BernardBlack]

OK, so the supers stay on original site with new Brood Box.

SUPER
SUPER
B BOX w/ QC



SYRUP
B BOX w/ Q





What if some of those super frames contain brood? Do they stay with the supers?

 

[Erichalfbee]

I would put any supers with brood on the hive you move. You don’t need any more brood with the queen. Some people put her in the AS with no brood. As far as syrup on the re queening hive goes I just split the honey supers

 

[REDWOOD]

There are many ways of doing an artificial way and most beekeepers have tailored their own way of doing things, personally I would leave the hive supers where they are and remove the queen with a few frames of brood and place them in a nuc a few meters away.

 

[Erichalfbee]

There are many ways of doing an artificial way and most beekeepers have tailored their own way of doing things, personally I would leave the hive supers where they are and remove the queen with a few frames of brood and place them in a nuc a few meters away.

I did that with my first AS this year and it has worked very well

 

[enrico]

There are many ways of doing an artificial way and most beekeepers have tailored their own way of doing things, personally I would leave the hive supers where they are and remove the queen with a few frames of brood and place them in a nuc a few meters away.

But if you have never done it this way then please remember that the main hive that now has no queen may start making many queen cells so you have to be on top of it! Worth reading up on though
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[REDWOOD]

They have never made more queen cells in my experience but sods law and all that

 

[alfazer]

My issue seems to be that when do an AS and put the box with the queen on the original site, I seem to get swarm cells in this box after 2 or 3 weeks with original Q still present and laying. Makes me think they were aiming for supercedure the whole time, but I'm never really sure when I do the AS if its swarm instinct or supercedure. Typically 5 to 12 QCs in various positions over several frames.

 

[enrico]

You must use mostly foundation in that box....do you? Otherwise you will have bees thinking the queen isn't laying properly!
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[Poly Hive]

Alfazer?

When I do an artificial swarm on the original site is the brood and one open cell. So let's say its the 1st of June and I see cups with grubs and I decide an AS is needed.

I find the queen and put her in another box which is then places away from the "parent" colony. At this point, I often make up nucs but that is a by the by. After a week I check the parent box/s as there may be a double brood involved and remove the sealed cells leaving the youngest open one I can. Then close up and leave for a month at which point there should be a laying queen with luck.

PH

 

[alfazer]

I've been putting the old queen and frame she is on, in a new box with new foundation and maybe a few drawn combs, on the original site. This should mean I get the older flying bees with the old queen so they think they have swarmed. I move the box with the QC away about 6 feet.